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July 07, 2021

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Nikw211

I've literally just watched that this morning after following a link in your previous post.

It's heart-breaking and compelling in equal turns - though there is some hope in there too, I should add.

The word arsehole is used.

Not the only one she uses, and rightly so.

JuliaM

’… and lest we assume that all people with gender dysphoria are insufferably woke…’

The other type never seem to be selected by the MSM as ‘spokespersons’, though.

David

It’s heart-breaking and compelling in equal turns - though there is some hope in there too, I should add.

It’s not the kind of thing I’d usually search out, but I found myself watching the whole video. For someone supposedly “rambling,” can of beer in hand, it’s well expressed and at times rather vivid.

If nothing else, it’s interesting to see someone acknowledging things we’ve discussed here, but from the inside, as it were. I forget whether it’s in the first video or the one with Benjamin Boyce, maybe both, but the description of cult-like behaviour and the intolerance of even measured demurral, any acknowledgment of reality - the pressure to affirm, regardless - is quite telling too. It reminded me of how people who are committed to an obviously false or absurd position can be quite vehement and hostile.

John D

Lifted from the comments. Which you’re reading, of course.

Always have done. It's one of things that makes this blog special.

David

It’s one of things that makes this blog special.

As I’ve often said, the comments are where much of the good stuff is waiting to be found.

You can imagine how that chafes.

prm

My wife has a podcast where she interviews people who chose not to be victims after trauma - one of them touches on some of the same themes if y'all are interested: https://www.toughlovepodcast.com/episodes/episode-016-how-to-survive-and-thrive-after-detransitioning-with-rachel

David

This Wi Spa incident and the response are just so funny to me. I read statements like this from our betters all the time, but try as I might, I simply can't imagine someone uttering them in real life. Anita Sarkeesian and Laurie Penny and others have thoughts.

David

More on the above from Brendan O'Neill here. And I had to see this, so now you do, too.

Karl

regarding others having "thoughts":

"..look at other people’s junk in the locker room why is this hard."

Why is it hard, indeed!

Karl

I had to see this, so now you do, too.

Well, that's the term "mouthfeel" fucked. Thank you so much 😠

David

Well, that’s the term “mouthfeel” fucked.

I’ll just leave this here.

Karl

David Thompson. "Feeling knobs since 2013".

And no, before anyone jumps in, "Feeling Knobs" is not a good band name.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

..."Feeling Knobs" is not a good band name.

No, but it is a village west of Twaddle Farnsworth.

pst314

I read statements like this from our betters all the time...

David, note that Wesley Yang is a columnist at the supposedly sane Tablet Magazine. The rot is everywhere.

...but try as I might, I simply can't imagine someone uttering them in real life.

Real life is becoming increasingly surreal.

Burnsie

You can imagine how that chafes.

Some of your best work is down here, too. Amidst the rabble.

"..look at other people’s junk in the locker room why is this hard."

Feminists fly into a rage if a man merely glances their way--the "male gaze" as mind-rape--but a naked man can parade his junk in front of a naked young girl if he says the magic words first?

There are a few holes in that there liberal logic.

Adam

Taking a trip in the Way Back Machine…It was more than 40 years ago at a small university located along the Otanabee River in Eastern Ontario when a female philosophy professor -new to the university- recounted her experiences that morning in what she thought (because of the sign on the door) was the women’s locker room. She was beginning to change into her workout clothes when a naked young man emerged from the shower room, plopped himself down on the bench next to her and said “Hi! Are you getting an early workout today?”. She picked up her bag and departed posthaste. She later learned that the locker rooms and dormitories on campus had been “liberated” by students despite contrary and unenforced university policies. “Everyone” knew this, she was informed.

A colleague commented that many parents send their children to this small town university to keep them away from big bad Toronto where they would be exposed to all manner of degenerate ideas and behavior.

Daniel Ream

Twenty years from now, this will be considered he Satanic Ritual Abuse Hoax of our time.

David

Real life is becoming increasingly surreal.

We do seem to live in unhinging times. As Ms Watson notes in the second video, the increase in cases and referrals over the last decade or so, especially among young women and girls - previously a minority of cases - is so large, and so shifted in its composition, that media visibility alone doesn’t appear to be an adequate explanation. In terms of scale, it’s not unlike if, say, a fifth of the population suddenly said it was gay. You might think something odd were happening.

Hence the concerns over increasingly strident activism and demands for fast-tracking transition, and misdiagnosis, and social contagion, to which young women as a group are especially prone. And if adolescents mistake relatively common teenage identity issues as being gender dysphoria - and it seems many are doing - and if those young people are feeling pressured to consider serious, life-altering, and irreversible procedures – this is rather disturbing. As is the haste and frequency with which those asking about such things are denounced as “transphobic.”

In the video, the word apostate is used. Rightly, I think.

And likewise, it seems we mustn’t consider the possibility that the gender dysphoria may be a secondary effect, a consequence of some other issue or traumatic experience, often childhood abuse, such that the victim becomes alienated from the body that was assaulted, i.e., from being the sex they are. In order to be woke, and affirming, we mustn’t acknowledge that gender dysphoria is often a coping strategy, albeit a horribly dysfunctional one. And we must pretend these things despite the fact that, as a group, transgender people report very high rates of sexual abuse, and especially childhood molestation.

David
David, note that Wesley Yang is a columnist at the supposedly sane Tablet Magazine. The rot is everywhere.

Apologies for my unclear wording - Wesley Yang was just highlighting one of the more unhinged parts of this Washington Post article.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I read statements like this from our betters all the time, but try as I might, I simply can't imagine someone uttering them in real life.

Also...

rekt

@rorufufufu
Replying to
@godblesstofu

Why is it ok for you to show your gash to a little girl?
5:43 AM · Jul 5, 2021

...the unwillingness to admit that seeing the same body parts is just a trifle different than some bozo waving his johnson in the ladies because wokeness is more important than privacy or dignity is getting a bit tedious, but hey, "gash", is totes not derogatory, so that is just peachy.

pst314

Apologies for my unclear wording - Wesley Yang was just highlighting one of the more unhinged parts of this Washington Post article.

Ah, thank you, David. Lesson: I should have looked at more of Yang's tweets rather than make a careless assumption.

pst314

The word arsehole is used.

The word ought to be used quite rarely, but there are so many arseholes.

pst314

but there are so many arseholes.

Speaking of which, who was it who made comments on one of these threads about science fiction and its fans?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

The word arsehole is used.

The problem is that nowhere else in nature or make by man is there a valve that can detect the difference between solids, liquids, and gasses, and close to 100% of the time know which one to pass. Call someone an asshole, you are calling that person a genius.

Sam

and close to 100% of the time know which one to pass

Ohhh, we have a braggart here I see.

anon a mouse

Yang's tweets

So, were the Kohms offline?

*ducks. Again*

David

Twenty years from now, this will be considered he Satanic Ritual Abuse Hoax of our time.

Ms Watson makes a similar point in the second video.

David

The problem is…

I see you’ve given this more thought than was strictly necessary.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I see you’ve given this more thought than was strictly necessary.

It was on the physiology finals.

pst314

Call someone an asshole, you are calling that person a genius.

I think you meant "you are sometimes calling that person a genius." The vast majority of assholes are simply assholes. And of the geniuses I have known, yes, some were assholes but their social failings and depravities were still faults rather than virtues.

pst314

Physiology or psychology finals?

ComputerLabRat

Given recent posts – and lest we assume that all people with gender dysphoria are insufferably woke

Nay, not all, no, and I don't think many persons here think so either. However, it is not the ImWatsons of the gender dysphoria world who are trying to force reality to bend to their whims, and who have the ear of the media, the major corporations, and the government to make that happen. There are plenty of people with gender dysphoria or people who happen to be gay, or black, or disabled, or whatever other Identity class that comes with Victim Points who just want to live their lives in peace and let the rest of the world get on with theirs. It's the insufferably woke ones who want the rest of us to bow down to their flag or they will burn down everything we love, as I think it was SteveE who put it. And it's the insufferably woke ones who have the power to do that.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

S. E. Smith looks like a very happy person.

PiperPaul

So, were the Kohms offline?

Your redshirt is on fire in the alley. But the good news is that your Star Trek Fan Club membership has been renewed at no charge.

anon a mouse

your Star Trek Fan Club membership has been renewed at no charge.

Well, at least I've got that going for me...

aelfheld
I’ll just leave this here.

I hope you washed your hands afterwards.

pst314

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Uma Thurmond's Feet

"Feeling Knobs" is not a good band name.

In Chapel Hill, N.C., in the 1980s,* I danced to The Fabulous Knobs.

* Also to REM, B-52s, and Root Boy Slim and the Sex Change Band's "Boogie Til You Puke." Good times, boyos.

WTP

I watched most of that video, thanks for posting it yesterday, and not that there was much there that I didn't already know/suspect but hearing it directly from a victim of our corrupt and criminally insane mental health professionals is still informative. From what I've been able to find, some 150,000 American children are undergoing hormone trans "therapy" of some kind but very, very few people seem to care to speak up about it. I found one pediatrician who was on several boards who said other doctors/pediatricians were afraid to speak against it. F****g cowards. How much g-d money does a doctor need to make before he or she can buy their consciences/souls back from evil? Meanwhile, a cop accidentally kills one drug addicted thug and the country, then Western civilization goes up in flames.

David

After posting the above, my YouTube recommendations have taken an… interesting turn.

WTP

Let me rephrase that...Meanwhile one drug addicted thug in a hysterical illegal drug induced state dies while a cop is trying to arrest him...well, you get the idea. Hopefully.

Steve E

Also good for chafing.

Darleen

As Ms Watson notes in the second video, the increase in cases and referrals over the last decade or so, especially among young women and girls - previously a minority of cases - is so large, and so shifted in its composition, that media visibility alone doesn’t appear to be an adequate explanation.

At risk of self-promotion -- I've read Irreversible Damage, the book by Abigail Shrier -- a sobering, well-researched read that the usual suspects denounce and try to have banned.

While detransistioners like Ms. Watson acknowledge that gender dysphoria does exist (as does Shrier throughout her book), the advocates of "Affirmative Therapy" refuse to acknowledge detransistioners or their concerns. Indeed, they viciously attack any questioning at all of their Revealed Truth.

Cultists.

David

At risk of self-promotion…

Go for it, Dar.

Darleen

Twenty years from now, this will be considered he Satanic Ritual Abuse Hoax of our time.

Having been a young, stay-at-home mom living in southern California during the McMartin Preschool debacle, I've also noted the frightening similarities -- with the parents and others speaking out against the mutilation of minor kids being cast in the Satanic Abuser role.

pst314

I've also noted the frightening similarities -- with the parents and others speaking out against the mutilation of minor kids being cast in the Satanic Abuser role.

Daniel Ream

detransistioners like Ms. Watson acknowledge that gender dysphoria does exist

So does cutting, drug abuse, bug chasing, facial piercing and self-destructive sexual behaviour. And for the same reasons.

ComputerLabRat

detransistioners like Ms. Watson acknowledge that gender dysphoria does exist

So does cutting, drug abuse, bug chasing, facial piercing and self-destructive sexual behaviour. And for the same reasons.

Bug chasing? I had not heard of that one.

Anorexia is body dysphoria just as real in the minds of the anorexic as gender dysphoria is in the minds of trans people. Yet we don't give liposuctions or other cosmetic surgeries to anorexics, nor do we affirm their dysphoria.

The same people who insist that men can become women simply by saying so because they feel strongly that way also insist that you can't become black simply because you feel strongly that way. Somehow racial attributes are sacred and immutable, but sexual ones are not. And this is the same crowd that f*cking LOVES Science.

Sam

And for the same reasons.

It is interesting that, in [current year] victimhood conveys saintly status yet actual abuse victims keep getting sidelined in favor of invented or highly exaggerated abuse. I suppose it's like communists always singing the praises of the proletariat yet never actually wishing to join them, and ignoring the poverty their policies create.

Actual, pervasive problems can be addressed - though never eliminated - through difficult, painstakingly honest examination of the causes and tradeoffs needed to alleviate the issue. Far better to create new problems, solutions to which can be used as vehicles for grift and political oppression.

Darleen

And this is the same crowd that f*cking LOVES Science Lysenkoism.

FTFY

PiperPaul

painstakingly honest examination

Well, there's your problem.

(Not yours personally, of course)

pst314

And this is the same crowd that f*cking LOVES Science Lysenkoism.

Remember Alfred Bester's The Scientific People?

Hippogryph

"Bug chasing". I'm afraid to google that.

I just know I enjoyed chasing after fireflies and putting them in mason jars, when I was little. Probably not quite the same.

pst314

"Bug chasing". I'm afraid to google that.

You have already heard of men who knowingly infected others with deadly STD's. Well, there are men who seek unprotected sex with infected men.

So does cutting, drug abuse, bug chasing, facial piercing and self-destructive sexual behaviour. And for the same reasons.

There are good, humane grounds for saying we should be kind to those with damaged minds. But the cult of tolerance demands that we embrace and approve their brokenness--and the more broken the better.

Wombat-socho

Remember Alfred Bester's The Scientific People?

"Your pulse is 98.6. Very scientific."

FlynPigRanch

and close to 100% of the time know which one to pass."

Not so... The word shart comes to mind. And often.

pst314

"Your pulse is 98.6. Very scientific."

"You have been inoculated with something old, something new, something borrowed, and something blue. Very scientific."

Hippogryph

"self-destructive" behavior.

Some florid examples of mental illness and weird compulsion, above. Some of them have a clear social contagion aspect to them. With internet subcultures as a vector for the madness.

I suppose that in Ye Olden Days there must have been neuroses distinctive to the period. Neuroses centering around maleficium and demon-possession fueled the witch crazes (afflicting both the burners and the burnt). I wish moderns were entirely less mad.

David

Not so...

[ Rummages under bar, emerges with tarpaulin. ]

pst314

Some florid examples of mental illness and weird compulsion, above. Some of them have a clear social contagion aspect to them.

I have been wondering to what extent malevolent foreign actors are involved in spreading this stuff on the internet.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

The word shart comes to mind. And often.

Might want to consult a gastroenterologist and/or colorectal surgeon for that.

...emerges with tarpaulin.

Maybe too much hump fat, some folks do get carried away with its mouthfeel, might want to put that back under the bar.

pst314

emerges with tarpaulin

For a moment I thought maybe David was bringing jello wrestling to this fine upscale establishment.

ComputerLabRat

There are good, humane grounds for saying we should be kind to those with damaged minds. But the cult of tolerance demands that we embrace and approve their brokenness--and the more broken the better.

The cult of tolerance is very selective about which brokenness gets embraced and approved of and which is allowed to be treated as brokenness (so far anyways) and which gets burnt at the stake for having transgressed some woke taboo (Rachel Dolezal comes to mind).

We should absolutely be kind to those with damaged minds, and do our best to help them. But a small and vocal minority has decided that their particular damaged minds are not damaged after all, and instead demand affirmation of whatever is going on in their heads. And the people who should be putting a stop to the nonsense instead are capitulating. So anorexia and bulimia are still abnormal mind states, but gender dysphoria is just another way of being normal. Wax my ladyballs, bigot. Lysenkoism rides again!

David

For a moment I thought maybe David was bringing jello wrestling to this fine upscale establishment.

[ Rummages under bar for rolodex. Looks up number for Darius and Bruno. ]

pst314

[ Rummages under bar for rolodex. Looks up number for Darius and Bruno. ]

Got any other options?

pst314

Is there something toxic in England's drinking water?

Darleen

Anita Sarkeesian

Isn't it amazing how things like "consent" "no means no" "sexual harassment" "bodily integrity" ... even "women's rights" go right out the window if they are all in conflict with whatever new shiny thing the Left cult decrees - like the belief in a "female penis".

Alex DeWynter

You can imagine how that chafes.

No refunds, credit note only.

Holly

Actual, pervasive problems can be addressed - though never eliminated - through difficult, painstakingly honest examination of the causes and tradeoffs needed to alleviate the issue. Far better to create new problems, solutions to which can be used as vehicles for grift and political oppression.

They're only interested in individual troubles if they can be cast in terms of the individual being so crushed by majority customs and conventions that they need professional advocates to tear down those customs on their behalf.

The extraordinary power of these professional advocates is excused from scrutiny by the claim that they're modest scientific workers and caring professionals whose only goal is helping these vulnerable individuals. They're as pure and agendaless as somebody helping an old lady across the street.

The advocate piloting Sinead through the checklist wasn't in the business of eliciting second thoughts, because second thoughts are the majority social expectations recapturing the individual at the moment of their liberation.

It's a funny kind of empathy that's not really the difficult process of discerning the thoughts and troubles of the person in front of you. It's more like a force diagram that starts from the assumption that the individual, no matter what they testify about their own internal motivations, is being crushed by a ten tons of social pressure. In order to be able to liberate the individual, the advocate demands the resources and authority to be able to apply ten tons of pressure in the opposite direction.

CJ Nerd

"You can imagine how that chafes."

[ Rummages in pocket.

Discreetly slides tube of ointment across the bar. ]

Em

[ Rummages under bar for rolodex. Looks up number for Darius and Bruno. ]

*fetches glitter*

sH2

We used to have a word for that. And that word used to be grooming.

"Love has no age"

https://thebridgehead.ca/2020/08/14/uk-drag-queen-storytime-tweets-out-pedophile-slogan-love-has-no-age/

pst314

"Love has no age"

Via Ace: San Francisco Gay Mens Chorus posts and then deletes 2 videos singing "We're Coming for Your Children" and "Convert Them Bit By Bit"

Chillingly creepy. But I suppose that as San Franciscans they had no idea that normal human beings would react badly.

anon a mouse

Got any other options?

Moose and Rocko?

Bruce

Lauren Rowello – a they, she’s a pronoun pointer, “they/them”

I heard that as pronoun punter, demoting Lauren from a possessor of esoteric knowledge to a betting shop patron who's been sold a system for beating the market.

pst314

Moose and Rocko?

Mandy, Candy, and Brandy would be easier on the eyes. But any entertainment of that sort would be inappropriate at this fine, respectable establishment. Right, landlord?

WTP

Moose owes me money.

David

I heard that as pronoun punter,

It could well be. I wasn’t at all sure and had to guess.

I don’t often venture to The Barren North.

pst314

I don’t often venture to The Barren North.

I've been told that the neep herders and flocks of wild haggis are quite picturesque. And in any pub you might be treated to a spontaneous lunchtime recitation of the poetry of the great Ewan McTeagle. What?

Sam

San Francisco Gay Mens Chorus posts and then deletes 2 videos...

"Whoa there team, too soon, too fast! You can't just show people your lizard skin and expect them to take it lightly. See, we start with a few Netflix originals and some daytime talkshows normalizing and celebrating lizardhood while casting lizard people as victims. Then we have opinion columns in major publications saying how being under a lizard overlord isn't all that bad, and may in fact be beneficial. Of course #lizardlivesmatter will trend, and we'll need to suppress lizard dissent on places like YouTube. Throw in a false flag incident or two, order up "The Conservative Case for Lizard Overlords" and Bob's your uncle!"

- The cabal of pedo humanoid-lizards running the world, probably

Mags

like the belief in a "female penis".

This kind of thing used to be a crime...

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1412903230594592776

pst314

This kind of thing used to be a crime...

There is no slippery slope. David French told me so, and he's a certified true conservative. /sarc

pst314

See, we start with a few Netflix originals...

Possibly the strangest example of this that I have encountered was an sf novel by Samuel R Delany in which anonymous random and brief sex acts in dimly lit backrooms between male humans and male space aliens was portrayed as an excellent way to promote peaceful and harmonious coexistence. More recently he was quoted somewhere as saying that such promiscuous anonymous sex was an excellent way to build interracial comity.

David

This kind of thing used to be a crime...

As described, the hot tub incident clearly wasn’t some bid for acceptance or an attempt to pass as a woman and bond in some imagined sisterliness - all us girlies together, as it were. It sounds much more like an attempt to scandalise and unnerve, and thereby dominate.

pst314

It sounds much more like an attempt to scandalise and unnerve, and thereby dominate.

Exactly. Although there are a few badly broken minds out there who think this sort of behavior is actually an effective and acceptable method of flirtation. In the 70's feminists and their leftist allies said that "Hi, want to f*ck?" was a grossly aggressive and antisocial mode of seeking sex partners. Now many of these same people are instructing us that we must accept and applaud far worse behavior, whether it be perpetrated for purposes of flirtation or domination.

pst314

normalizing and celebrating lizardhood

It's working. No objections recently to my posts promoting the eating of offal.

It has still not occurred to anyone that if everyone else switches to haggis that leaves more steak for me and my minions. [ evil laugh ]

Steve E

if everyone else switches to haggis

From the picture, are we to deduce that like Scottish, Vegetarian is a nationality? Or, conversely, that Scottish is a way of eating?

pst314

Vegetarian is a nationality?

You start with a vegetarian's stomach, heart, lungs...

We have a thousand ways to lure the suckers.

Scottish way of eating

"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a haggis today."

PiperPaul

Thank God it's skinless (eww)!

pst314

Thank God it's skinless (eww)!

Sooner or later someone's mother will reply "the skin is the best part and it has all the vitamins."

Karl

Nothing beats the sound of an emptying tin of skinless vegetarian haggis.
Except maybe for a big jobby.

Richard Cranium

From the picture, are we to deduce that like Scottish, Vegetarian is a nationality? Or, conversely, that Scottish is a way of eating?

They use only the finest Scots as filling for the Scottish haggis.

Steve E

They use only the finest Scots as filling for the Scottish haggis.

Are they made from real girl scouts?

pst314

They use only the finest Scots as filling for the Scottish haggis.

When you are invited to a Robert Burns dinner, be sure to ask them if the Robert Burns is fresh.

Squires

In the not too distant dystopian future, the streets of California will be patrolled by the celebrated members of a task force known as Special Unit Rainbow. Their mission will be to identify potential LGBT children and whisk them away to the safety of Affirmation Housing.

Steve E

Their mission will be to identify potential LGBT children and whisk them away to the safety of Affirmation Housing.

And they shall be carried on the backs of winged unicorns, accompanied by care bears and led by troll dolls.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Sam

Today's purple-haired SJW is tomorrow's gruppenfuhrer, as a wise man once said.

Sonny Wayz

On the subject of the sudden increase in transism among teenage XX chromasonal beings;

1970s: Mom and Dad, I'm a vegetarian!!!
1990s: Mom and Dad, I'm a lesbian!!!
Now: Mom and Dad, I'm a boy!!!

Problem being that the last isn't quite as easily dropped as the others.

pst314

Bath salts? Or just psychotic? I suppose the courts can require him to stop taking illegal drugs or start taking antipsychotics, but the odds are he will not comply and there will be more "incidents" until something deadly happens. (Via JuliaM)

Jay Guevara

As Ms Watson notes in the second video, the increase in cases and referrals over the last decade or so, especially among young women and girls - previously a minority of cases - is so large, and so shifted in its composition, that media visibility alone doesn’t appear to be an adequate explanation. In terms of scale, it’s not unlike if, say, a fifth of the population suddenly said it was gay. You might think something odd were happening.

Ah, the power of marketing.

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