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September 13, 2021

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asiaseen

@wtp
AIUI every Pidgin is different dependent on the underlying local language. So, no, Nigerian Pidgin is unlikely to be understood by, say, Solomon Islanders.

CavScoutCoastie

Late to the party as usual but still got here. Barkeep, a pint of best please. Ping.

David

Barkeep, a pint of best please. Ping.

Bless you, sir. May one of your wireless earbuds never be in danger of falling into the toilet.

WTP

AIUI every Pidgin is different dependent on the underlying local language. So, no, Nigerian Pidgin is unlikely to be understood by, say, Solomon Islanders.

Well to that degree, clear out to the Pacific islanders, I would say that's kind of obvious. I should have properly qualified my comment in the context of the Wiki article specific to Nigerian Pidgin where the speakers are using it for simple communication. According to the Wiki article (as now presented) it is spoken betwixt the 250 or so ethnic groups throughout that country, but presumably beyond Nigerian borders into neighboring cultures. And the article itself also states that local languages even in Nigeria have their own unique words. To my example...and this is of course pure speculation from my ignorant position...I would expect that someone from the farthest western reaches of Nigerian Pidgin could, if standing in front of each other conversing, communicate sufficiently with someone from the furthest eastern reaches to get something done. But to my example, would such communication, if being written down once, be passed on to a member of the opposite community and it be sufficiently understood without much further back-and-forth?

An aside to this...I've always been fascinated by the complicating factors of spelling, which is influence by regional accents as well, not just in the English language but other far flung languages like French, Spanish, Mandarin, Russian, etc. Not that I know much at all about those language differences specifically, just that it's obvious that those other languages would have the same issues. Though AIUI, the French...the ones in France...are serious tight-asses about such things. Though how far that carries I have no idea. Yet one thing that I just stumbled across....Apparently William Shakespeare didn't even spell his own name consistently. As a student I was constantly getting dinged for my "misspelling" of his name. Yet more reason to demand a recount of my English grades from back then. Bah...likely a drop in the bucket though. On both sides.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

So, no, Nigerian Pidgin is unlikely to be understood by, say, Solomon Islanders.

Having spent more than a little time in various parts of Central America, in cities I could understand and make myself understood with my mediocre Spanish, but most of the dialects in the remote areas were nigh incomprehensible often even to people in a remote area one remote area over, so it is also quite possible, particularly given Nigeria is larger than all of Central America, that Nigerian Pidgin might not be universally understood in Nigeria.

Captain Nemo

Since it appears that the Friday Ephemera is on a well-deserved holiday this week, this seems as good a place as any to post this, um, anatomically-shaped wine bottle of note:

https://tipsybrand.com/

pst314

Having spent more than a little time in various parts of Central America, in cities I could understand and make myself understood with my mediocre Spanish, but most of the dialects in the remote areas were nigh incomprehensible

IIRC, Victor Davis Hanson has remarked that many illegal immigrants in California are now coming from Oaxaca and that they and Spanish-speaking Mexicans from the north find each other to be incomprehensible.

And I seem to recall hearing that this sort of situation could be found in various parts of Europe in the days when almost nobody traveled more than a few miles from home.

WTP

that Nigerian Pidgin might not be universally understood in Nigeria.

Well, kinda to my point. But in situations such as you describe, which are not terribly different from many very rural Appalachian accents that I occasionally encounter, with patience and a good bit of back-and-forth, the information is conveyed. But this idea of a standard, written Pidgin, Nigerian or otherwise, itself seems very, very colonial. Which previous commentor implied, ironicallyI think... carrying the blessings of British civilisation to the uncultured peoples of the distant Empire is what the World Service was founded for. Good to see it's still diligently carrying the white man's burden in these less progressive times. I have a harder and harder time picking up on irony/sarcasm anymore though. Currently in a FB debate with some leftist friends, etc. of a cousin-in-law where I thought surely this was meant as a conservative point:

Let's compare how many lives are lost to abortion and compare that number to those lost to guns. Let's compare how many laws encourage citizens "to spy and report on others" outside of totalitarian and oppressive dictatorships. Let's compare who contributes to those who support these new "legal" instruments aimed at very specific and often under-served communities. Let's get real and stop the "crap!"
Now not knowing this guy personally, I at first gave it a "like" but then the last two sentences gave me second thoughts. I click through to his profile and see posts about how Jan. 6 was "real treason", and a couple of similar Narrative talking-point things. This guy really believes (again apparently) that guns take more lives...or "lives"...than abortion. I doubt that even holds up in Chicago. Maybe...maybe in a world-wide context where such numbers are wild guesses if not completely made up. This guy is a "Former Graduate Program Director Landscape Architecture at Florida A&M University". Educated. Severely.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

For anyone wanting to hit the Amazon link...

For the penurious...


The innarwebz are truly both wondrous and frightening.

anon a mouse

Nigerian Pidgin might not be universally understood in Nigeria.

Ah. Divided by a common language, as it were...

WTP

For the penurious...

From the Dedication page: "Faught in the war against the Fascists 1043-1945"

Faught. Yes, he faught. Fraught with thought he faught, I'm sure. But hey, his son got the doctorate. Who is this BS dummy to question it?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

But hey, his son got the doctorate.

Berkeley, none the less. One of the Elite.

WTP

Oh Lord...this gets richer...Relating all this to my wife who asks, "Well maybe 'faught' is a real word". To which I haughtily reply...gimme a break. If it was a real word, the spell checker on this blog would not have underlined it...but the subject matter being what it is I had to check Google. So I types "define faught"...Now if you observed the title page on that doctoral thesis, the author got his BA from the University of New Orleans...so clicking through on the first link..."Faught was a cajun term in south Louisiana for fart. Common Misspelling of the word fart."

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Faught was a cajun term in south Louisiana for fart.

Credit where credit is due, farting against the Fascists for 902 years is no mean feat.

WTP

Heh. 902 years. Well my having fought fonts appears to have left me fraught with faults. I’m my defense though, I don’t have the doctoral committee from one of the greatest universities to ever exist on the planet (so presumed) reviewing my posts.

WTP

In my defense…stoooopid phone spell checks.

Squires

IIRC, we're in the 3,048th wave of "eating insects is de future"

Don’t forget the algae!

Alex

farting against the Fascists for 902 years is no mean feat

Yeah, but did he actually fart against them, or just in their general direction?

Directrix Gazer

I've been struggling along with "The Boat of a Million Years" on and off over the last six months. I find Anderson... grueling.

That seems like a very surprising statement to me. Have you read anything he wrote earlier in his career? I find most of his work pretty snappy, prose-wise, and the stories move along at a brisk pace. TBoaMY was one of the last things he wrote, and a bit like Leiber, I think his abilities may have declined late in life. I haven't read it myself since I was a teenager and remember only the premise and a couple of scenes that made an impact on me.

I do still enjoy Fritz Leiber

I hadn't read anything by him until last year, when I picked up the first of the Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser collections. About halfway through I purchased all the others. Great fun, and very inventive.

I love Howard, but if he's a bit too pulpy for your tastes you might want to try a collection of Clark Ashton Smith stories. He was part of the circle of literary friends that included Howard and Lovecraft, and his tales have their own distinct flavor. I'm particularly fond of his dying-Earth "Zothique" stories.

pst314

the Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser collection

Painting a Mauser grey: only a barbarian would do that. I'll let myself out now.

Lancastrian Oik

Blind Lemon Jefferson invented Texas blues

Hope y'all got a diligent sexton on stand-by.

Darleen

IIRC, Victor Davis Hanson has remarked that many illegal immigrants in California are now coming from Oaxaca and that they and Spanish-speaking Mexicans from the north find each other to be incomprehensible.

My dad ran his own ad agency in SoCal for about 25 years. When he was running ads in metro Los Angeles print outlets (e.g. weekly local papers) and needed it in Spanish as well as English, he had at least two good friends to help out on the translation. Unfortunately, one was born and raised in Mexico City and the other was from East Los Angeles ... and they'd occasionally get into arguments over what was a "correct" translation.

Fred Foo

I miss the interesting links.

The Anti-Woke circle-jerk not so much... y'all remind me of the old farts sitting a mall food court.

WTP

Faughts. We're calling them faughts now. Young punk-asses. Always pissing and moaning about something. Please try to pay attention.

Richard Cranium
And what's more, Anderson and Piper were libertarians while Pournelle was a conservative. No Asimovian Stupidities™ from them.

@pst314, Mr. Pournelle was granted a specific license by Mr. Piper to write stories in his universe.

Richard Cranium
The Anti-Woke circle-jerk not so much... y'all remind me of the old farts sitting a mall food court.

You don't want to know of which you remind me.

Bec

Thanks for the blogging, David. Have 'pinged' you some British pounds.

David

Have ‘pinged’ you some British pounds.

Bless you, madam. Whatever your age, may the thrill of unplanned ice cream never entirely fade.

David

Again, thanks to all who’ve chipped in, including all those much too shy to say hello, or who’ve subscribed, or done shopping via the Amazon links. It’s what keeps this place here and is much appreciated.

Nikw211

Did you read the comments on that article, Farnsworth? Many agreed with the piece but seem to have not learned from it.

@WTP - I was wearing my best Muldoon disguise at the time of posting which no doubt was the cause of the confusion.

I hadn't read the comments, but I can believe it.

Nikw211

Just to be clear, I do not have shares in UnHerd or anything like that, but just came across this which makes for dismal reading:

    Of the many horrible things you might witness as a junior doctor in the capital, among the worst must be watching a teenage gang trying to break into the ward you work on, hoping to finish off a victim, punching your colleagues out the way to get to him.

    Where I work, there’s a “code red” every day. That’s what we call the arrival of a stabbing victim [ ... ] Just a few weeks ago, a boy came in with knife wounds and was taken to have a CT scan to assess the damage. But his attackers were not satisfied with wounding him — they wanted him dead. After turning up at the hospital, the whole gang rushed to the CT scanners. [ ... ] Gangs come up with all sorts of ways to try and access victims who have survived. Sometimes, they pretend to be family members [ ... ]

    [ ... ] The Major Trauma team often includes ex-military doctors. There will be up to five different surgeons working to save one victim simultaneously. This, of course, places a great strain on the health service, but the upside is that London surgeons have become experts — the best in the world — at treating stab wounds [ ... ]

Although through personal experience I tend to groan inwardly when I hear the phrase "raise awareness", this is the pseudonymous author's stated intention for the piece - to let it be more widely known how often armed gangs invade hospitals, bringing their disputes or, whatever it's for, with them.

But in this case it seems fair enough.

David

to let it be more widely known how often armed gangs invade hospitals,

It would make me feel safer if there were a few more [security guards].

The secret, I suspect, is to have fewer knife-wielding degenerates.

Ed Snack

WTP, apparently the interesting thing about William Shakespeare is that he spelled his name in various ways, with around 15-20 versions known including “Shakestaffe”, but the one way that is NOT recorded is the now accepted spelling “Shakespeare”. I always suspected that some long ago Don at Oxford (or wherever) was having a sort of private joke and managed to get that spelling accepted as “correct”.

On SF, there was, some 50 or so years ago (so 1970 or so) the idea that there were three “great” contemporary SF books; Dune, Stranger in a Strange Land, and Stand on Zanzibar (by John Brunner if you have not heard of it). Of those, just IMHO, only Dune really remains a classic. Heinlein can be OK - again for me The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is his best and most readable, but he suffers quite badly from the syndrome I once saw described as “I tells them, then I tells them what I told them, then I tells them again in case they missed it…” didactism writ large, and very present in his late works like Methuselah’s Children. If you want a lighter “adventurous” read from an absolute craftsman of exotic worlds, Jack Vance is always worth exploring. James Tipree Jnr is another quirky and pseudonymous writer.

pst314

Mr. Pournelle was granted a specific license by Mr. Piper to write stories in his universe.

Yes. I'd forgotten about that!

pst314

The secret, I suspect, is to have fewer knife-wielding degenerates.

By any means necessary™, as the left has been saying for generations. That means far more severe penalties for criminal behavior and far more stringent immigration laws.

pst314

I grant Fred Foo a specific license to fuck right off back to whatever swamp he came from.

pst314

The secret, I suspect, is to have fewer knife-wielding degenerates.

"The security guards we have are pretty impressive and fearless, but theirs is a massive job — do we really want to ask Joseph and his buddy Emmanuel to stand up, unarmed, just the two of them, against 12 teenagers with 12″ kitchen knives who have stabbed before and are here to do it again, all for £18,000 a year?"

I would arm them and tell them to shoot such vermin without warning. "Two to the chest, face gets the rest."

pst314

Heinlein can be OK...but he suffers quite badly from the syndrome [of] didactism writ large

Sadly true. And I do wonder how some of his fans can not see it. (Maybe because they always agree with his messages?*) But he was such a talented storyteller that even many of his later stories had their merits if the didacticism did not bother you excessively. Starship Troopers works well in spite of its very strong streak of this. Likewise Glory Road. And it is amusing to notice how readers tend to separate out regarding those two books: I recall one leftist critic who deplored Starship Troopers for its "fascism" and didacticism, while praising Glory Road for its well crafted storytelling. The critic's penchant for extremely promiscuous polymorphous sex couldn't have had anything to do with his opinion, no siree.

* I have made fun of author-specific clubs for a tendency towards blind fanaticism, such as the Robert Burns clubs which demand that one like haggis, and similarly for Sherlock Holmes fans, Trek fans, etc.

Sue Sims

Agreed re. Heinlein. Very few of his books have no didacticism (though his short stories are mostly free of it), but he's such a compelling writer than I can mostly ignore it until I will Fear no Evil; that and all its successors I just ignore, as his obsession with various types of sexual congress has become utterly tedious.

Oh, by the way, Ping!

David

Oh, by the way, Ping!

Bless you, madam. When emptying the washing machine, may you be spared the grim realisation that your long-sleeved undershirts and assorted nethergarments have somehow been combined into one bewildering and inseparable item.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I grant Fred Foo a specific license to fuck right off back to whatever swamp he came from.

Seeing as how Gospodin Foo (if that is his real name) appears to have spilkes in his genectegezoints over one of the main themes here, I offer another exciting chapter of Today In Wokness™...

Join us now as we explore "Cultural Appropriation: Babywearing".

To be honest I didn't know what in the hell "babywearing" is, but apparently it is toting your sprog around in a rucksack".

Because wypipo never invented anything but stole everything from PoCs, it is true that ancient wypio never carried their kids. The only three options were levitation - this was only allowed by kings and queens and the power to levitate was, of course, magic performed my court magicians who were PoCs. The middle aristocracy used prams made of gold, silver, and ermine, made and pushed by PoC servants. The average peasant just tied a rope to the kid and dragged it like a sack of potatoes.

Medieval depictions of wypipo using babywearing techniques are just the earliest examples of cultural appropriation. Below we see a young European peasant with a papoose clearly stolen form American Indians, and St. Christopher is using a device invented by early Arabs.

WTP

Speaking on knife wielding degenerates...well not really...here's something I haven't seen discussed in regard to this supposed story of Gen. Milley calling the Chinese to say he would warn them "if"...

Discussing this with The Wife, thing I find amazing about this, if true, is HTF did they expect China to react? Imagine your next door neighbor knocks on your door to tell you that if their son tries to kill you that they will stop him, so don't worry. Would you feel safer? Imagine cops aren't an option. Are you more or less likely to keep your weapons loaded at the ready? Are you now more or less likely to shoot him first if you witness or suspect odd behavior? What happened to all those game theory "geniuses" the Pentagon employed back in the 1980's?

David

That means far more severe penalties for criminal behavior and far more stringent immigration laws.

And a lot less of this wormy posturing.

pst314

And a lot less of this wormy posturing.

"But you got to remember that a worm, with very few exceptions, is not a human being."
--Young Frankenstein

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Speaking on knife wielding degenerates...

I have to call BS on the whole story. A quick search shows a Code Red in the UK is just massive h(a)emorrhage for any reason, not just a stabbing. If you are calling a Code Red (which is a fire in the US) fr a stabbing, you are not going to waste time with a CT, it would go straight to OR, stab wounds being pretty obvious. Gun shot wounds you might (or more likely plain films which can be done in the OR) because bullets can bounce around.

...gangs sometimes go in for “bagging”, which is when they stab the victim in the rectum, so that they need a colostomy bag for the rest of their life.

Aside from the impracticality of deliberately stabbing someone in the rectum absent the victim being tied down spread eagle, a rectum can be repaired (might require a temporary colostomy), and even in the event a rectum must be removed, an ileo-anal pouch can be made. There is other sketchy medical wisdom besides that.

What feels odd, to me, is that so many people — children — are being stabbed in London hospitals and yet almost no one outside the hospital seems aware of it.

Gangs are running amok through London hospitals, but no one reports it, and the article is the only thing that shows up.

Right.

pst314

Farnsworth: I have read a few news items about incidents of gangs invading American hospitals. I am not as sure, but seem to recall, seeing a news item about such an incident in the UK.

pst314

David and all commenters British: Knife crime is clearly a serious problem in the UK, but I never see any reports breaking down the identify of the perpetrators by nationality, race, religion, etc. I get the impression that most of such crime is the work of immigrant gangs and individuals, but am willing to acknowledge that impressions can be imprecise.

Darleen

Join us now as we explore "Cultural Appropriation: Babywearing"

Didymos, a popular German baby wrap company beloved by many babywearing educators, has given some of its woven wraps and patterns insensitive names such as Orient, India, Inka and Indio (a racist and classist Spanish slur for Indigenous people).

Uh oh.

John Lewis

Babywearing.

In the cause of equality (or is it equity these days) I propose that wypipo cease appropriating black culture by wearing their offspring in this way. In turn I would expect that a corresponding respect be shown to white culture by not using any form of wheeled transportation, including but not restricted to, perambulators, buggies and motorised vehicles of any size or description.

pst314

"Bold, gender neutral lazer show could spell trouble for the Trump presidency while raising awareness for their community". Because what could do more for "awareness" than inserting lasers in their anuses?

WTP

I found that CT story a bit hard to believe as well, but the again…? I saw a story yesterday somewhere stating that knife stabbing of children in China is such a problem that police are stationed outside of schools where elites take their children.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I have read a few news items about incidents of gangs invading American hospitals.

Only thing I come up with is one from 1910 and one in 1930 in NYC, one from 1990ish in Culver City, one of anti-vaxers trying to get into an ICU in Utah, and of course the plot of a Jean-Claude van Damme movie, and the hitman in "The Godfather".

One each from Mexico, Thailand, and Nigeria.

The whole thing has a flavor of "The Rolling Stone" Oklahoma hospital farrago.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Meanwhile, in other Woke™ Hospital Violence, the University of Louisville is hosted a seminar on body terrorism on fat LGBTQ§↔↔₳ people.

Alas, we missed it, but next month we can learn about "gender affirming" hormone care, and in November, of course, racism and LGBTQC-47 people.

WTP

Break out the Guinness and Jameson. As if the world isn't ass-backwards enough, my home/birth town of Pittsburgh is celebrating St. Paddy's Day today.

David

“Bold, gender neutral lazer show could spell trouble for the Trump presidency while raising awareness for their community”

Something tells me they started with ‘stick laser in anus’ and then went in search of an excuse.

pst314

I miss the interesting links.

How can Foo boy miss what he never saw? He certainly has never commented here before, so it is extremely likely that he is that sub-type of The Common Internet Shitgibbon which makes a dishonest drive-by comment on his first and only visit to the blog:
"As a longtime loyal reader, I strongly disapprove of the turn your opinions have recently taken, although they are indistinguishable from the opinions expressed ten years ago."
"As a longtime Republican, I am frightened by the opinions of [unremarkable conservative candidate] and support the prudent and middle-of-the-road policies espoused by [leftist candidate]."
And so on.

pst314

Something tells me they started with ‘stick laser in anus’ and then went in search of an excuse.

It's a pity that the Zombie blog is inactive, although I suppose we don't need an endless series of posts whose titles could all be "Mentally Ill Degenerates in San Francisco Did Something Stupid".

pst314

Rapist with long record of violent crime cannot be deported. I can think of some alternate ways of permanently dealing with creatures like him.

WTP

I can think of some alternate ways of permanently dealing with creatures like him.

Gender reassignment surgery is wasted on the wrong people.

pst314

Gender reassignment surgery is wasted on the wrong people.

Without anesthetic? :-) If he survives, put him in a cell and weld the door shut. Permanently. But give him a companion: a randomly selected open borders activist.

pst314

Trolling France:

pst314

Gender reassignment surgery is wasted on the wrong people.

Case in point. Don't give these animals prison. Give them death. And then deport their families. Mercy to evil people is cruelty to good people.

pst314

Daring speculation: one reason Victorian Britain had a lower murder rate than today is that murderers got a death sentence rather than prison followed by parole.

pst314

Family demands answers: a sign of a diseased culture.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

I started to read Dune years ago. I enjoyed it up till Paul fell in love, at which time the rest of the plot came to a screeching halt. I never watched the movie.

pst314

Lady Cutekitten: A frequent criticism in sf is the bloated/padded novel. Sometimes a fine novelette gets expanded into a too-long novel filled with sub-plots or threads which add little. Sometimes a popular first novel is followed by a long series of sequels which add nothing to the ideas explored in the first. George RR Martin is only the latest.

pst314

“Family demands answers”: sorry about the mangled html, David. I thought I had abandoned it by closing the window when I could not get it to look right in preview.

asiaseen

In turn I would expect that a corresponding respect be shown to white culture by not...

wearing European dress.

NTSOG

Knives: from the Antipodes via The Age newspaper this weekend:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/they-ll-pull-knives-on-ya-how-a-teenage-boy-s-night-out-turned-to-tragedy-20210730-p58ekm.html

And the Green-Left want to make things more difficult for licensed gunowners while yobbos can easily get their weapon of choice from their mother's kitchen - if they haven't already stolen one from some shop like the New Zealand terrorist did recently while under close surveillance.

David

Family demands answers

Some human beings seemingly have no capacity for shame. Which is unfortunate.

Or, “Yes, he’s robbin’ y’all. OH WELL.”

Nikw211

I have to call BS on the whole story.

I think that assessment may be a tad precipitous - but then I suppose your point is to suggest I've done the same in accepting the veracity of the story.

As she's a junior doctor (well, if you believe even that), I'm certainly willing to believe that she may well have amalgamated a number of stories and anecdotes from others so that at least part of the account is basically break room hearsay but presented as though these were things she herself may have witnessed.

As to the fact that there have been no other reports on this phenomena: firstly, that, after all, is the stated point of the article.

But secondly, the media in the UK operates somewhat differently than it does in the US.

For instance, in the 1990s in the UK there was a wave of gun crime both in London and across the North, especially Manchester and Leeds.

And while some gun crime incidents were in fact reported during that time, not all were.

I can confirm this because I know personally of two occasions in which whole streets were cordoned off following shooting incidents yet neither one of them was reported until long after the incident and both were buried in the middle pages in extremely vague reports of less than 50 words each.

Similarly, a friend of mine who was working A & E (ER) in the period told me victims of gunshot wounds were being brought in three, four times a week (this is an extraordinary rate in country where firearms are difficult to obtain). Again - this was barely reported on and, if it was reported at all, was likely buried deep down.

Later still, someone I had known at high school was sent to prison after shooting someone to death over an unpaid gambling debt. Sensational as that might sound, I only heard about it from yet another friend who had been present in court at the sentencing. If it was reported anywhere, it would, again, have been a footnote buried in a column of local news.

I'm not sure why the British media is quite like this given that it can hardly be accused of shying away from sensational stories, but there you have it.

Nikw211

Apparently not a parody account.

Starting to think this might be the dumbest generation that ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the Earth.

pst314

Thank you for fixing my faulty html, David. I wish I knew exactly how that happened, so as to avoid it in the future.

pst314

Apparently not a parody account.

In the event of a communist takeover, she would be among the first to be executed or sent to a destructive labor camp.

pst314

Or, “Yes, he’s robbin’ y’all. OH WELL.”

It wasn't all that long ago that the public response to such statements would be to either lynch the dead thug's relatives or expel them from the community, on the entirely sensible grounds that folks cannot afford to allow dangerous evil people to live among them. As has been remarked, the police and courts exist in part to protect criminals from the public.

David

on the entirely sensible grounds that folks cannot afford to allow dangerous evil people to live among them.

What we’ve seen, many times, is almost a kind of collective sociopathy, as illustrated quite vividly here.

Note the dynamic. Once the theft and violation begins - and the Amazon driver can only look on in disbelief, before herself being robbed and gratuitously assaulted - things rapidly escalate. Other predators approach. Passing drivers stop and rush to join in. Not to help the woman being robbed and attacked, of course. They just want to help themselves to someone else’s property. Because they feel entitled.

As noted before, the world is not greatly enriched by the presence of such creatures. Or by the presence of those who would excuse their choices.

WTP

As noted before, the world is not greatly enriched by the presence of such creatures. Or by the presence of those who would excuse their choices.

That is now the majority of people. I’ve encountered far, far too many of these apologists and such to believe otherwise. This is why major corporations support BLM and similar. It’s not just the “eat me last” thing. I would even say that is not a very big part of it. Far, far too many of the “grown ups” of all generations have been brainwashed into believing that the sociopathy that we see and is so often documented here is justified. This works so well because “those other people” they see as ripe for picking. It’s not “eat those other people first”, it’s a means of justifying an opportunity to join in with whatever mob to destroy the others and take their stuff.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...but then I suppose your point is to suggest I've done the same in accepting the veracity of the story.

Nothing of the kind, the difficulty of these medical sketchy stories (that are proliferating like weeds in The Time Of Covid™) is that the average Joe doesn't have the background to evaluate without searching often conflicting info on the innarwebs. That is nothing against the average Joe, indeed the average Joe 1 may be well above average in a different field, but there will be an average Joe 2 who has difficulty with Joe 1's area of expertise.

I mentioned the "Rolling Stones" article which turned out to be a total fabrication, likewise there was a story out of Texas where a doc in tiny town close to Houston was claiming patients were waiting "thousands of minutes" to get into his ER. A quick check showed open beds (ICU and otherwise) in Houston. A couple days ago there was a report of a man from Cullman, AL who was allegedly turned away from 43 hospital ICUs because of the overflow of coof patients. Truth was he needed a cardiac specialist unavailable at the small hospital in Cullman (14K population) and for reasons not at all clear was taken to Meridian, MS (<50 ICU beds), not exactly a hotbed of cardiac specialists, particularly given Huntsville and Birmingham, AL, Nashville and Chattanooga, TN are closer, Atlanta is closer, and Memphis not much farther. The media seem to think that even if an ICU actually is full, it will be so forever, ignoring that people are discharged and other admitted daily, and are too lazy to look up on the HHS site what ICU utilization for any given hospital actually is.

Panic porn sells.

The author of the article claims to be a "junior doctor", whatever that means, and she may well be, but any medical student who has been through a surgery rotation can tell you you don't take h(a)emodynamically unstable patients with known stab wounds to get a CT before you open them up because if they start really to circle the drain in the CT, there isn't much you can do, and you are going to open them up to stop the bleeding anyway.

Of course, if it hadn’t been a kitchen knife, but rather a knife used in street fights, then there was a much higher risk of infection.

Except the kitchen knife was a knife used in street fights, not like the average kitchen knife is anywhere near sterile anyway. Arguably the risk might be less for a kitchen knife used in the kitchen then when it was pulled out of someone's pants, but wound infection is not just from the instrument, but skin, clothes, the ground, etc. etc. Again, third year med school stuff.

We are also supposed to believe that Corn Pop and his gang of 11 Bad Dudes known for being stabby just walk away whistling because two unarmed guards show up.

...she may well have amalgamated a number of stories...

That I can believe, but there is too much flakiness, and too many of these Tales of Medical Woe™ cropping up lately.

anon a mouse

A quick check showed open beds (ICU and otherwise) in Houston.

Indeed. As some others on the interwebz know, I volunteer for a Hospital affiliated w/the TMC (That's Texas Med. Center, Y'all), and as part of my regular duties is to verify data - and what is often reported has only the vaguest allusion to reality (for example, a recent count of MHTW showed that the "hot floors" were at 95%, so of course, the local media spewed "Local hospital nearly overrun by Covid patients - discounting the fact that the other floors and buildings were near empty...).
It's sad, really, to see the state of media.

JuliaM

pst314: ’ As has been remarked, the police and courts exist in part to protect criminals from the public.’

When seconds count (for the thugs) it seems the police are far too many minutes away…

https://mobile.twitter.com/Stan_VoWales/status/1438241252244340737

Oh dear, how sad. Never mind.

pst314

Oh dear, how sad. Never mind.

I saw another tweet about that which said that it was not vigilantes but a rival gang. However, the Evening Standard and the Independent confirm that it was vigilantes. Given how useless the police and courts have become, who can blame citizens for vigilantism? Speaking of which, why is it that "human rights" lawyers are only ever interested in the rights of criminals and not their victims? /rhetorical question

pst314

JuliaM: I see that your Twitter account is still suspended. :-(

Captain Nemo

Oh dear, how sad. Never mind.

The inevitable consequence of abolishing civic justice will not be social justice, as so many on the left seem to believe, but mob justice. And mob justice, as we can see from that video, is frequently a very unpleasant thing indeed. Still, at least he won't be re-offending any time soon. So there's that.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Things you can't make up - Ford's Theatre mulls cancelling Lincoln.

JuliaM

@pst314: oh, yes, permanent ban. AmbushPredator is dead. Long live Xenosmilus4! 😉

On the Tower Hamlets event, for ‘rival gang’ read ‘Bangladeshi immigrants fed up with being preyed upon by African immigrants with little or no action by police, and deciding to turn the tables’. All part of the glorious and vibrant diversity that so enriches London.

’ And mob justice, as we can see from that video, is frequently a very unpleasant thing indeed.’

That’s bullfighting for you. Mostly, the man with the red cape wins. Sometimes, he gets the horn. ;)

pst314

@JuliaM: Thanks for the Tower Hamlets update. If there was an announcement of your new Xenosmilus4 I missed it, so thank you again.

Darleen

Nomination for today's most stupid thread.

WTP

Nomination for today's most stupid thread.

This is what happens if the Lizard People find themselves with too much free time on their hands.

David

If there was an announcement of your new Xenosmilus4 I missed it,

Julia, put down the gin and tonic, just for a second, and throw a link in the comments.

Darleen

Truth was he needed a cardiac specialist unavailable at the small hospital in Cullman (14K population)

There seems to be this idea that 1) every hospital contains every medical specialty for every person who walks (or is rolled) through the door 2) and every hospital maintains oodles of empty beds just waiting for any disaster.

When #1 was an ICU RN she worked at the regional medical/trauma hospital. But they had NO cardiac specialists or ward. Anyone presenting in the ER for that would be stabilized and transferred.

Moving patients to different hospitals based on specialized care or available beds is exactly what she does as a CCT RN now. Hospitals network all the time -- SOP.

But, as you say, "panic porn" gets the clicks.

Peachy rex

Local media loves eyeballs on its stories. Accurate crime reporting is often good for garnering eyeballs - bleeds, leads etc. The media also loves to support "its side". Accurate crime reporting is almost always bad for the narrative, inasmuch as there's a strong correlation between ideology of local government and crime rate. As a former resident of the blood soaked hellscape of the People's Democratic Republic of Chicago, I can assure you that imperative #2 very often outweighs imperative #1.

pst314

Julia, put down the gin and tonic, just for a second, and throw a link in the comments.

The link can be deduced from her comment: "twitter.com" suffixed with "/Xenosmilus4".

In these fraught times, one should never interrupt a lady's drinking.

Alex

Fraught times? Don’t you mean faught?

pst314

Dunno. My sinuses were permanently damaged years ago by David's bar snacks.

WTP

That's your own damn faught. What on earth possessed you to snort them?

Daniel Ream

Worth every penny of the licence...

"We don update our Privacy and Cookies Policy

We don make some important changes to our Privacy and Cookies Policy and we wan make you know wetin dis one mean for you and your personal infomation."

I am totally using this on the next web site I deploy.

pst314

That's your own damn faught. What on earth possessed you to snort them?

You don't remember when David experimented with "spicy" and "extra spicy"? And without warning us? To this day I cannot see a hot sauce bottle without having flashbacks.

Sue Sims

Come on, folks: I know the thread's been superseded, but surely two of you can manage to push the thread to 300? (Would that be a record, David?)

David

Would that be a record, David?

Not even close.

asiaseen

By hook or by crook I'll make the nexy page

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