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December 10, 2021

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sH2

the complications of being woke while simultaneously having a good time

For the woke, being racist *is* a good time.

The Sage

The AI at feedly.com asked whether this article was about diversity. I answered "Yes", and it responded

"Thanks! Your feedback helps make Leo smarter. Leo was 76% confident this article was about Diversity."

Mongo

Freaker's Ball. Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show. (1972)

https://youtu.be/2SkzFL3_HZI

Arty

Other than company Christmas party and the grocery store I avoid any gathering that sports a multicultural demographic.

Joan

the message created an incentive for students to falsely identify with a marginalised identity.

Aren't they *all* doing that?

Eagle

"Leo was 76% confident this article was about Diversity."

76 seems low. Leo need learning.

Alice

Aren't they *all* doing that?

That.

Rafi

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 / 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Farnsworth M Muldoon

A blinding flash of the obvious...

"Instead, white students were kicked out — discriminating based on race, which only sowed further division on campus at a time when such issues are especially salient."

Top. Men.

Swarthmore African Student Association (SASA)...and the Swarthmore African-American Student Society (SASS)

Left out The Judean Peoples Front and The Peoples Front of Judea, not to mention the Swarthmore We're Black But Neither American Or From Africa Student Association (SWBNAOFASA).

Through a stronger presence of marginalized groups and the ability to play more inclusive music, this party could have realized this potential.

It is a well established fact that wypipo will riot if they hear anything but classical, polka, or country music thus ruining a party.

It creates a temporary feeling of control for some and resentment for others...

I suppose I will have to denounce myself for suggesting that both notions are only problems due to faulty wiring in "others".

Daniel Ream

the ability to play more inclusive music

...were the demon ytes crowding around the DJ table, forcing him to play Lawrence Welk or something?

economics major
Sameer

Stopped taking the article seriously at this point.

Swarthmore

Bit on the nose, there.

ComputerLabRat

These people and their enablers complain about being marginalized, and of the existence of marginalized groups, but then when the mainstream wants to join their party they want to...marginalize themselves?

And what's this about "inclusive music"? Is it rap? If I weren't so lazy about this sort of thing, I'd look up the demographics of rap music fans. I'm willing to bet there's an even or greater number of yte kids buying that stuff as there are black kids. And what are the hispanic kids listening to? I know their parents are listening to stuff that sounds an awful lot like polka and country music, but probably like the ytes, hispanic kids like the rap too. Somehow I don't see asian kids flocking to a black block party, and the article didn't mention them either. The queer ytes I guess will have to wear some kind of yellow (rainbow?) star on their shirts to distinguish themselves from garden-variety evil ytes.

This whole ridiculous whine is coming from pampered, entitled, bigoted, self-marginalized people who want to hate on whitey while holding out their hands for whitey largesse.

Governor Squid

...when the mainstream wants to join their party they want to...marginalize themselves?

Obviously, they're afraid that the interlopers will overwhelm their little group and twist it to their own designs. Given the environment they live in and the people they've chosen to associate with, it's not hard to understand why they would latch on to such an assumption.

ccscientist

If it wasn't for white kids buying rap and hip-hop, those musicians would not be rich. A beyonce concert is mostly white. Gay music? No idea what that would be. Hispanics often listen to a mexican version of country--not likely to be welcomed at this party. Just try to play songs in spanish, see what happens.
Why did white kids not leave? It is NOT because they were gay or identifying as gay falsely. It is because they were simply ignoring the order to leave. Because that was bullshit.
If you feel "marginalized" on an elite campus where there is tons of diversity and no one (and I mean no one) dares to be mean and probably all go out of their way to be nice, then what you really want is to be marginalized so you can complain. What you are imagining is marginalization is simply not being in the majority, but for that you could have gone to a black college. cake and eating it too, how does it work?

Sarah
We want safe spaces that are exclusively occupied by a given marginalized group. At the same time, we want to do more to center marginalized groups in settings occupied by white people

Sameer Halepoto seems to be a Pakistani name. Is there anywhere in the world a safe space, a homeland, for Pakistanis so that they won't be oppressed in New England liberal arts colleges?

And maybe whites will be allowed their own homelands too, and allowed to start their own colleges. These colleges could start modestly, as the initiative of a religious minority to prepare their young people for a productive life, but with each generation of alumni giving something back, after 150 years or so the whites could have built their own very impressive colleges and wouldn't have to have to have people like Sameer around to oppress.

Swarthmore is a small school - 1600 students. One third of its students declare themselves as white, but let's say it's more like two thirds white given the incentives for goodwhite students to honor their 1/8 nonwhite ancestors when ticking the race box. And 8% black, I wonder what proportion between the Swarthmore African Student Association (SASA) who have no moral claim on America, and the Swarthmore African-American Student Society (SASS) who can claim to have been oppressed by the Quaker founders of Swarthmore?

typical Swat parties include an outsized number of white students (many of whom are athletes), making it harder for marginalized groups to feel welcome

Kicking the white softball players out of the LGBT party didn't feel as good as it should have felt. Meanwhile the rowing team was having its own party without having consulted the SASA or the SASS or the Swarthmore Queer Union (SQU). Tall beautiful people just having a good time for the night and not doing anything to center marginalized groups.

Hippogryph

From the CollegeFix summary:

“To be fair” to the organizers, Halepoto writes, they were in a “lose-lose situation.” Apparently they attempted to create a “safe space” for marginalized groups and to make a “concerted effort to include affinity groups within settings occupied by non-marginalized people.”

More simply:

(1) If Bad Whitey *is* at a party, they are wrongfully taking up space and denying BIPOCs, et al, a safe space.
(2) If Bad Whitey *isn't* a party, they are wrongfully marginalizing BIPOCs, et al, by denying them space at the "center".

I think all this just shows the deviousness of Bad Whitey.

cayleygraph2015
Swarthmore
Bit on the nose, there.
Make Swarthmore More Swarthy!
Daniel Ream

I'm willing to bet there's an even or greater number of yte kids buying that stuff as there are black kids.

There has to be. Some subset of 13% isn't enough to generate the kinds of money in that musical genre.

Gay music? No idea what that would be.

Lady GaGa, apparently. And Coldplay.

pst314

I think all this just shows the deviousness of Bad Whitey.

Also:
(1) A white man not dating a black woman is racism (not attracted).
(2) A white man dating a black woman is racism (jungle fever).

pst314

These people and their enablers complain about being marginalized, and of the existence of marginalized groups, but then when the mainstream wants to join their party they want to...marginalize themselves?

Pertinent:

pst314

I have seen several comics in that style, but nobody who posts them has credited an artist. Source?

rho

when the mainstream wants to join their party they want to...marginalize themselves?

There's an inversion of reality embedded in the party incident and in the "you do not fit in here" cartoon, of the gray majority that excludes the colorful vibrant minority AND chases down that minority when the minority just wants its own modest spaces where it can be left alone.

But really the majority could have a very nice Thanksgiving party, a very nice liberal arts college, or a very nice nation without any help at all from minorities or uninvited guests. It's the minority who are pushing into majority spaces and demanding not only to be included but to have their agenda "centered" or "mainstreamed"; not only to be treated like an insider, like just one of the guys, but to have a veto where at any moment they can activate their outsider status and get special advocacy and access and group association privileges on that basis. One thing it certainly isn't is "okay, we will make our own place".

The psychodrama being enacted at that party was: You whitebread majority desperately need our vibrancy. The United States and Swarthmore College were bland backward places before we showed you the right way. You're always pushing down the door to get into our spaces. But you don't give us the gratitude and deference we're entitled to and you ruin everywhere you go with your whitebreadness and majorityness.

That should be an extremist view, but it's the Hollywood view, the music industry view. Enough nice white college kids have been taught to believe it about themselves that they'll go to the LGBT, African, and Associated Trades party to show how openminded they are and shuffle out shamefully when the sacred minority tells them to.

pst314

There's an inversion of reality embedded in the party incident and in the "you do not fit in here" cartoon...

Although the cartoon was indeed commenting on the pathology you describe. I suppose the cartoonist should have been more careful to show a minority excluding a majority.

pst314

The United States and Swarthmore College were bland backward places before we showed you the right way.

Nearly all the great advances in math, physics, chemistry and biology were made by white men, but you wouldn't know that if you only listened to "woke" "educators" and Hollywood personalities. America could not have gotten to the Moon if not for the brilliance of black women saving stupid white engineers. The World War II bombing campaign against Germany would have failed if it were not for black fighter pilots. And so on.

Eric

I have seen several comics in that style, but nobody who posts them has credited an artist. Source?

https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109

I preferred Yogi Berra's earlier funny work.

Beep-boop, how illogical it is that Earthlings want to have their own children through sexual reproduction, and how illogical it is that earthlings have namespace collisions instead of giving their children GUID identifiers.

pst314

Eric: Thank you very much.

how illogical it is that earthlings have namespace collisions instead of giving their children GUID identifiers.

Sheldon?

Daniel Ream

That particular comic is probably webcomic.name's most famous, and it's interesting that it's spawned a ton of remixes that generally add a fourth panel (webcomic.name's schtick is that every strip is three panels and the punchline is always "oh no").

My favourite (that I didn't save at the time) removes the "oh no" from the third panel and in the fourth panel the pink minority is taking a flamethrower to the grey minority whilst saying "fuck off".

It gets posted a lot in Warhammer 40K groups by people who are getting a bit tired of SJWs invading their niche hobby and insisting it all be changed because it's problematic (note to SJWs: we know. Warhams has always been Starship Troopers-level parody. You're too dumb to get the joke.)

a different james

This whole ridiculous whine is coming from pampered, entitled, bigoted, self-marginalized people who want to hate on whitey

Not just "whitey" but the norms that underpinned society a generation ago.

And they now dominate politics and Government in the Anglosphere. Whether they comprise 10% or 90% of the population they have determined the culture.

Look at Britain, where the laughably-named Conservatives have a 60 seat majority in parliament. They haven't opposed or taken measures to push back, or enable others to push back, against these people- be they in universities, NGOs or just on social media.

They are just jogging a lap behind these fanatics.

When this Conservative Government collapses and allows Labour to return, all the present lunatic dogma in the universities will be enshrined in new legislation. When the Conservatives return to Government they will not repeal a single piece of that legislation.

John

UK politics has a structural imbalance due to unequal constituency sizes which favours Labour to the extent of 20-30 seats each election.

There have been uninterrupted “Conservative” governments since 2010 yet perplexingly they have done nothing about this. It’s almost as if they want to avoid too big a majority* as justification for following a left of centre authoritarian agenda which never appeared on any of their manifestos.

David

were the demon ytes crowding around the DJ table, forcing him to play Lawrence Welk or something?

Note that Mr Halepoto presents himself as a voice of moderation and sensible compromise, while repeatedly affirming the bizarre and noxious conceits that result in the phenomenon he supposedly finds suboptimal.

pst314

UK politics has a structural imbalance due to unequal constituency sizes which favours Labour to the extent of 20-30 seats each election.

Does the UK not periodically adjust voting districts according to the results of the latest census?

John

Pst

The Boundary Commission for England (BCE) is required by the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 to review the parliamentary constituencies in England every 5 years..

The significant changes recommended in 2010 have still to be implemented. As I said the conservatives are scared stiff of the prospect of a larger majority (which might take away their excuses for not passing “conservative” legislation) and prefer to hide behind the status quo.

pst314

The significant changes recommended in 2010 have still to be implemented.

Very strange.

However, I have read remarks by fed-up Brits about how the Conservatives made their peace with leftism when they discovered that they could embrace such politics and yet retain their wealth and privileges. When I first read that it seemed very strange, but then I started to notice how many American conservatives only gave lip service to the ideals of individual liberty while quietly serving the interests of the deep state and corporate donors.

pst314

Blackadder's family has medical crisis, horrifyingly exacerbated by 5 hour wait for an NHS ambulance.

Squires

In other racialist lunatic news:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/12/video-newly-confirmed-massachusetts-u-s-attorneys-unhinged-rants/

qt

Not sure if MtF understands female group psychology yet...

'The team has been unbelievably supportive since the beginning, you know, teammates and coaches... I feel very supported. Just treated like any other member of the women's team,' Thomas said in an interview.

However, on Thursday, the first member of the UPenn swim team to speak out anonymously against Thomas said all support for her was fake.

'When the whole team is together, we have to be like, “Oh my gosh, go Lia, that's great, you're amazing.“ It's very fake,' she said.

Not quite the spectacle of the swimmer "winning" against a bunch of empty lanes. Devastating silence, the cold shoulder, was an effective Anglo protestant tactic for dealing with creeps and gatecrashers in 1951 or thereabouts. It's not going to get rid of the creeps these days, because offending conventional sensibilities is a reward and not a punishment. And it's not even as prudent or safe as you think, because your failure to applaud is on camera and will eventually be used against you.

'Usually everyone claps, everyone is yelling and cheering when someone wins a race. Lia touched the wall and it was just silent in there. When fellow Penn swimmer Anna Kalandadze finished second, the crowd erupted in applause.'
Farnsworth M Muldoon

In other racialist lunatic news:

I am not at all sure what this headline means. "Health Minister" is a separate topic.

Also, a misgendering exchange of note.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

In other racialist lunatic news:

pst314

I am not at all sure what this headline means. "Health Minister" is a separate topic.

Turns out that it's satire. But if it were real I would be left wondering what the authorities meant by "non-essential".

WTP

Also, a misgendering exchange of note.

The "don't do drugs kids" there misses the point. Fluff-n-stuff isn't the problem. The people who take her and her ilk seriously, even a little bit, are the problem. The mentally ill need help. Playing along with their psychosis isn't helping. They need to be confronted with reality at every opportunity. They are begging to be corrected, to know that there is someone in society who is in control because deep down inside they know that they are messed up and actually frightened by what they are able to get away with. Think of it kinda like Kamala Harris's political career. Or how you properly train a dog. BIRM.
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So our swimmer boy/girl is getting the silent treatment? Well, I agree it's better than nothing but still even weaker/wimpier than even a sick-out. I follow a FB group for the International Swimming Hall of Fame and this is the first post there that has garnered anything more than two comments. There are now up to 60 on this topic. Almost all are pretty strong against it with a couple of equivocations calling for a transgender division. The whole thing is bloody absurd. Though I am happy to see this story getting at least some traction, mostly in conservative..."conservative" media. These people have problems. This Lia person has problems. Granted, I don't know the guy nor should someone be remote-diagnosed, especially by a non-professional. But given that the majority of psychiatrists are crazy to begin with, that their profession cra-cra and "normal" are willing to appease this literal insanity*, and there's not much hope, non-professionals are his best chance.

Unlike non-athletes, or those in more subjective/skill sports, the swimmers, runners, etc. compete as much or even more so against the clock than their competition. Granted, winning is the ultimate goal but in such sports, even at the highest levels, very, very few win most of their serious races. Yes, you get a lot of easy wins in dual meets but without being pushed by serious competition you rarely do your best (which is why I advocate letting him swim alone). The real juice is in the bigger regionals or nationals. At those levels the competition is razor thin, having a sense of pressure from an opponent pushes you harder. Also the years to be your best are generally very few. The clock is your most objective standard. When you lose a big race there is at least some solace in looking at the clock and many times definitely knowing you literally did your best. Granted, this guy will have a lot of wins. Obviously. But the female hormones are eating at his times. On some mental level he very, very likely is feeling the slow down, the reversal of progress. That can't be good. People mock him as a mediocre swimmer but his men's times were not that terribly bad. He surely has some competitive spirit in him or he would not have worked so hard to be at that moderately good level.

* Again, not to say that there isn't a small bit of genuine transgender issues but most of this stuff is attention seeking BS. As noted here quite often.

David

More simply: (1) If Bad Whitey *is* at a party, they are wrongfully taking up space and denying BIPOCs, et al, a safe space. (2) If Bad Whitey *isn’t* a party, they are wrongfully marginalizing BIPOCs, et al, by denying them space at the “center”.

Well, yes. But you can see the problem for the inadequates, neurotics and racial narcissists who tend to make up such campus groups. Pretending to be put-upon and victimised, every day, round the clock, while actually being cossetted at great expense, can get a bit dull if there’s no-one there to notice and to be told this lie repeatedly. It livens things up to have a designated oppressor group to be shamed and scolded for recreational purposes. Without the browbeating and petty spite, where’s the fun?

And those lovely woke people do like to have their fun.

pst314

It livens things up to have a designated oppressor group to be shamed and scolded for recreational purposes. Without the browbeating and petty spite, where’s the fun?

And so they transform themselves into people who deserve to be oppressed.

pst314

The horror, the horror!

Farnsworth M Muldoon

FFS, will they never learn?

Squires

FFS, will they never learn?

They already know all that they wish to know, so no.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

Fordham professor fired for calling black student by other black student's name.

And he wrote a nine-page apology letter, too!

David

Fordham professor fired for calling black student by other black student’s name.

We’re living in an age of mass hysteria.

aldo

This is one of these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81tauranga_M%C4%81ori

Most Māori science is now focused on a particular practical problem with science-based organisations partnering with iwi, typically with government funding. Outputs include traditional scientific publications, as well as concrete benefits for iwi.

Or as Tom Wolfe put it in Māoriing the Flak Catchers...

Everybody but the most hopeless lames knew that the only job you wanted out of the Maori Science program was a job in the program itself. Get on the payroll, that was the idea.
Darleen

But the female hormones are eating at his times.

AFAIK, Thompson isn't taking cross-sex hormones. He only has to have his testosterone below a certain level for 1 year.

Nothing reverses his male genetics and development during puberty. And his gender dysphoria is questionable since he never even "discovered it" until 2018 when he was 19 y/o. That's not how actual gender dysphoria works.

Whether this is cynical, misogynist, or just social-induced faddishness, he seems very comfortable screwing over his alleged teammates.

Darleen

^^^ oops... "Thomas", not Thompson.

pst314

And he wrote a nine-page apology letter, too!

Instead of apologizing, he should have counterattacked.

David

oops... “Thomas”, not Thompson.

Just so we’re clear.

ccscientist

This "all cultures are equal" and the "centering" of traditional knowledge leads to absurdity. Will NZ science classes now teach that you can control the weather by performing a dance, that volcanoes erupt when the gods are angry? The same problem in Aus and Canada. Claiming that science colonizes people is just absurd. Science explains why and how things work, everywhere, all the time. A dropped object does not fall at a different rate if dropped by a Maori. Turning your people away from science is doing them a huge disfavor.

Saf

People are better at differentiating faces within their own family and ethnic group. In recognizing their own people they necessarily "other" other people.

Teachers mix up faces even in monoethnic classrooms. 19 year olds think they're unique, but when they're all slouching in the lecture hall in their scruffy clothes, it might as well be a police lineup. Can you really be sure? I never expected a professor to remember my name, especially not in standard undergrad classes where everyone is just being processed through and nobody is setting the world alight with their individual scholarship.

And often students don't want to be recognized by the teacher, they just want to slouch in their seats and disappear in the crowd. But if you're the black kid in a majority white classroom, you'll never get mixed up with another student. And if there are two black kids, you'll keep on getting mixed up with each other, which is embarrassing especially if (with your more sensitive differentiation within your own race) you don't think you're anything like the other black kid. They're unhappy because they're fish out of water. One solution is to put the fish back into the water. But the official solution is to flood the world so fish never feel out of water.

Minorities are better at differentiating faces from the majority than the other way around. More practice. The claim is that it's because minorities are curious and open-minded and majorities are incurious and closed minded. But look at the countries where those minorities come from, the countries where they're the majority - are those countries known for their scholarship and art and freedom of thought, how do those countries treat their own minorities, in what direction are people voting with their feet?

pst314

"...But look at the countries where those minorities come from, the countries where they're the majority - are those countries known for their scholarship and art and freedom of thought, how do those countries treat their own minorities, in what direction are people voting with their feet?"

Report to Room 101, comrade.

WTP

AFAIK, Thompson isn't taking cross-sex hormones. He only has to have his testosterone below a certain level for 1 year.

Well per a Swimming World article his time in the 500 increased a considerable 16 seconds due to hormone therapy. Agree on the rest.

It’s worth noting that Thomas, from her time on the men’s team, was a six-time finalist at the Ivy League Championships, including three runnerup performances at the 2019 meet. Her times were 4:18.72 in the 500 free, 8:55.75 in the 1000 free and 14:54.76 in the 1650 free. Following hormone therapy, her 2021 times are far slower but still fast enough to be championship quality.
From the Swimming World article (via FB so I don't have the direct link but I'm sure it's correct).

WTP

Just so we’re clear.

There's a certain scumbag out there in media world who shares my (true) last name. He had faded somewhat from general attention but then popped up recently. I keep hoping his disgraced ass will shut up and go away. It's actually all I really want for Christmas.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

AFAIK, Thompson isn't taking cross-sex hormones. He only has to have his testosterone below a certain level for 1 year.

But did he have his dick cut off? Inquiring minds want to know.

Otherwise, isn't it what Austin Powers says it is?

Rich Rostrom

Sarah:
Kicking the white softball players out of the LGBT party didn't feel as good as it should have felt.
Of course not. White college softball players are mostly lesbians.

Darleen

Following hormone therapy, her 2021 times are far slower but still fast enough to be championship quality.

The latter doesn't follow the former as much, IMHO, that Thomas has slacked off because there is little pressure for him to train as diligently. After crushing one of the races he was caught bragging “That was so easy, I was cruising”.

John

When inevitably a few more talented and motivated people with penises decide that they too fancy the easier pickings in woman’s swimming Thomas (or Thompson) will return to richly deserved obscurity minus any sense of self-respect he might once have possessed.

Steve E

But did he have his dick cut off?

The dick acts as a rudder allowing for a straighter(?) more efficient swim and faster times. Another unfair advantage for persons with penises.

Steve E

There's a certain scumbag out there in media world who shares my (true) last name. He had faded somewhat from general attention but then popped up recently.

You're the missing Cuomo brother?

ccscientist

Back to Swarthmore: I have been one of the few white people at a black event and some other ethnic events. I did not expect them to "center" me or give me a veto over what music was to be played. And if college students DO center a minority by having a taco tuesday party, that is racism. There is no pleasing such people --better to tell them to FO.

WTP

Y'all are addressing this issue with logic and reason in the context of some normal person simply wanting fame and attention for being a "winner". Like normal, mentally well men and/or women would. This person is significantly mentally ill. A man doesn't give up being a man, even a low status man, and this guy's men's times indicate that he had significant dedication to the sport thus not quite as low status as one might otherwise think, just for the "glory" of winning a few races. Even barring his lack of dedication to what he supposedly wants by not cutting his manhood off. IMNSHO, that itself is a big indication that this is far more about his mental illness and thus a cry for help than any real gender dysphoria. And no one is helping him. Certainly not the idiot/lunatics in the mental health "profession". This isn't about putting trophies in a case. He's begging someone to straighten his crazy ass out with some degree of reality.

Though again, wrong of ME to say. But the clueless bastards in the MH profession are too chicken shit to stand for anything. Anything in reality anyway.

WTP

You're the missing Cuomo brother?

Well when I order coffee and the waitress asks if I need cream or sugar, I say "No, we're black people". But that's as far as it goes. No. This person is a certain conservative..."conservative" scumbag.

Dr. Chaotica

"Mr Halepoto notes that 'not everyone who stayed at the party belonged to the affinity groups,' by which he means favoured groups, or groups allowed to indulge in loud and self-satisfied acts of bigotry."

I believe the cool kids refer to this as "privilege." There is, of course, no contradiction implied by being marginalized and privileged at the same time, because contradiction is a concept from formal logic. No woke person would ever invoke formal logic, because it is a tool of the white supremacist patriarchy.

pst314

"Mr Halepoto notes that 'not everyone who stayed at the party belonged to the affinity groups,'..."

It is an axiom of the left that white people cannot be an affinity group, because white people do not have histories and cultures--or at least not legitimate ones--and therefore there is nothing for which white people can feel an affinity for. Whiteness only exists as a thing to be eradicated.

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