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February 23, 2022

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JuliaM

"Elsewhere, Kirsty regularly posts videos on her platform sharing the lessons she learned while travelling, her adventures and other helpful and positive content to inspire other plus-size people to explore the world."

Sadly, not on foot, which would probably do them the most good...

David

It’s odd just how widely this displacement has become accepted, if only superficially, and not least in the media. The reason these ladies are unhappy, sufficiently so to broadcast their miseries to the world, has little to do with seatbelts and towels. I realise it may sometimes be impolite to draw attention to the obvious, but the scale of the pretence can become quite silly.

[+]

"Related"

https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1496151551165059079

David

“Related”

Today’s word is teamwork.

Stephanie Richer

Yes, but what of MY trauma when one of these plus-sized behemoths is seated next to me and I find them literally oozing into my space?

This is why I have a rule - if I can drive to a location in 15 hours or less, I do so. Sure, it may take longer but I plan for that and enjoy the leisurely pace. My schedule is my own.

Penseivat

So basically, she's just a whinging fat bitch. WGAF?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...seatbelts on planes cause “emotional damage”...

Kirsty may think it is all about her but...

...literally oozing into my space...

The thing is, as bad as oozing is, whereas the Brobdingnagian like our TicTac star think it is all about them, the fact is that commercial aircraft seats are stressed to about 9 Gs in the -Gx (forward longitudinal) direction - IOW, take off and landing, where most crashes occur.

The more weight in a seat, particularly over the 95th percentile size/weight design factors, the more likely it is to fail in an otherwise survivable crash and taking you in the next seat, as they are connected, with it. This of course means your chance of survival decreases and gets worse if we throw in the fact that Miss Kirsty says she wants to sit on the aisle which she is in any event blocking access to decreasing your ability to egress. Of course her next complaint will be that the aisles and and emergency doors, which she would also be blocking in an emergency, need to be wider. For her convenience of course.

...oppressive towels...

First LP was "Emotional Damage", but I digress.

The demure lassie in the video said she was at Target, a quick look shows their largest towel is 70 inches. The average height of wymxn in the US is 5'4" - 5'5". If your circumference at 5'5" (for that matter, any height) is over 70", the problem is not the towel.

It has been said before, but the fundamental problem with this lot, as well as the Alphabet People and other chronic complainers, is that they expect toe entire universe to bend to their peculiar pathologies.

MC

Perhaps I have become desensitised to this stuff, but looking at her site I was quite surprised that she's only averagely enormously fat. I doubt she'd stick out (ahem) in the US. She's no Lizzo, fo' sho'... Although it might just seem that way because she's covered up.

Anyway, if she wants to remain plus size and proud, while travelling without inconvenience, I recommend the front of the plane. Plenty of room for the fatster and no problem for anyone else.

pst314

The demure lassie in the video said she was at Target, a quick look shows their largest towel is 70 inches.

That sounds like a "bath sheet", which I suspect was invented for the luxury market and/or for the increasing number of, um, "plus-sized" Americans. Bath towels are typically about 30x60 inches, which bath sheets are another 6 or more inches wider and longer.

Maynard G. Krebs

Some alternatives that a healthy mind might try instead of trying to be a square on someone's victim bingo card:

1. Bath sheet
2. Beach towel
3. Terry cloth robe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkoPq5AOCOA

pst314

Seat belt extenders: You can buy seat belt extenders for automobiles, but the extender you buy for your own car will not be compatible with other makes and maybe even other models. I once discovered to my great discomfort that someone who I had been giving rides to had never been buckling up because she was too fat for the seat belts, and if we had been in an accident she would thus have been far more likely to be severely injured or killed. Since I was the driver and owner that put me in a position of liability that I did not want.

pst314

Seems somehow apt: Cartoon of two cows in a field. One says to the other, "I'm not contented."

anon a mouse

A plus-size content creator and traveller

Again - it looks like English, but???

Farnsworth M Muldoon

That sounds like a "bath sheet"...

Yeah, but not wanting to get into semantic quibbles, it is still a towel in the oversize towel section of Target where she claims to have been looking, and where "XL bath towels" go to 65".

Regardless, if your circumference is a mere 60", the problem still isn't the towel, whatever one calls it.

She could always get a beach towel which can be between 6 and 7 feet. If that ain't big enough, I believe that would qualify her as a planetoid.

anon a mouse

"I believe that would qualify her as a planetoid."

I think that's an assteroid...

*ducks*

pst314

She could always get a beach towel which can be between 6 and 7 feet.

And she'll end up having to buy an extra-large commercial washer for her laundry. ;-)

pst314

If she doesn't know where her ideal towel is, then she cannot be a hoopy frood.

pst314

"I believe that would qualify her as a planetoid."

Does light bend around her?
Does she have her own atmosphere? Tides? Tectonic activity?

WTP

It’s odd just how widely this displacement has become accepted, if only superficially, and not least in the media.

Odd in the sarcastic sense maybe. It had become accepted because no one speaks up to challenge it. People are afraid to point out the bloody obvious. I recall a news show decades ago, during the Reagan administration IIRC where some big fat mamma (black) was complaining to the news crew "I don't got enough food to feed my babies!" To which I replied during a workplace discussion of the issue in general, one that I had not initiated, that she's bloody fat and if her babies are truly starving, she could maybe...eat less herself. Even back then that comment got the crickets chirping.

David

It seems to me there are three broad approaches to being notably fat. The first is to lose weight, which I’d imagine is a bit boring and sometimes difficult. The second is to remain fat and get on with your life, and deal with the practicalities of fatness as a grown-up might. The third approach, as favoured above, seems to entail being unhappy about being fat while pretending that you aren’t unhappy about it, but unhappy about something else, something in no way your fault, resulting in complaints regarding the difficulty of finding a towel that could also be used as the sail of a Seventeenth Century frigate.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Tides? Tectonic activity?

Probably...

Farnsworth M Muldoon

The first is to lose weight...

You heartless fatphobic fiend, even to suggest that is conversion therapy and unpossible.

ccscientist

Fundamentally, in the modern world, if anyone feels bad about their choices, it is the fault of the world. It is expected that the world will simply change everything to accommodate you if you feel put out or annoyed or ashamed. Never mind that this is impossible, inconveniences others, costs others lots of money, or is your own damn fault, still, the world must revolve around you, and immediately.
Yes, there are giant towels out there called beach towels. If you choose to be 350lbs there are seatbelt extenders. Problems have solutions but it is so much more satisfying to whine about being oppressed.

Sam Duncan

No doubt Mr. Jordan would find himself cancelled today.

Sam Duncan

Bollocks. Screwed up the link.

WTP

Here's another thing that busts my chops about fat women complaining, I'm 6'4". Sitting in standard airline seats for many hours is not comfortable for me period. But I just f'n deal with it. I've never made an issue of it, never complained...except slightly on that transatlantic Delta flight where I was traveling business class and the seats were broken such that they wouldn't recline at all. So aside from any Procrustian solution that's just the bloody way it is. Now at 6' 4" I know I'm nowhere near the exceptionally tall. I can even buy clothes and such without having to go to the big&tall men's store and suffer the fashion indignities there. I also have made moderately decent bank in my life. But I often wonder about these guys you see in college basketball and such who don't make the NBA, don't make a decent living for whatever reason* life has gotta be harder on them than this whiny, bitchy fat (white? I was afraid to look) woman. Yet you don't hear those guys complaining.

Sigh. My life is just one big E.M. Snickering children's limerick.

*Again, not complaining myself as I'm not that big but being exceptionally tall is not the tremendous social advantage most people greatly assume it to be. There are things that I personally never noticed until reading a story about a UF basketball center from back in the 80's, forget his name. But he was something like 6'6" in the 7th or 8th grade and he did not handle that well. Fortunately he did get some help via being a useful b-ball player but in relating the story it was pretty clear he was a bit messed up psychologically from always being noticed, the comments and such.

aelfheld

I read fantasy. I don't want to live it.

WTP

that is conversion therapy and unpossible.

Well when you consider that losing weight is for the vast majority of people a mental thing but those very same people perceive themselves as having zero, absolutely zero, possibility of being able to lose weight...well, ipso fatso she's right.

aelfheld
Some alternatives that a healthy mind might try instead of trying to be a square on someone's victim bingo card:

You left out canvas tarpaulin.

David

Not entirely unrelated.

WTP

Please...Mr. Jordan had nothing on Arthur Godfrey.

pst314

Not entirely unrelated.

Various social critics have pointed out how some parents foolishly allow their children to bully them into bad choices, and that they should learn how to say 'no' and make it stick. But then, a lot of adults have developed lifelong junk food habits.

ccscientist

[+] posted a link to a guy who lost lots of weight. Good for him. If you lose such wt while young, not much problem. If you stay fat for a long time and then lose the wt, you will have huge rolls of loose skin hanging that look like shit. Also, if you destroy your knees or back, you can't revive them.

David

pointed out how some parents foolishly allow their children to bully them into bad choices,

As a child, I was almost never asked what I’d like to eat. The idea of making demands or causing a fuss simply wasn’t on the map.

Squires

Some women are built for comfort, others for speed. Others still, for ballast.

Fen Tiger

As a child ... [the] idea of making demands or causing a fuss simply wasn’t on the map.

Exactly so. To her great credit, this also applies to my teenage daughter. Some of her friends, not so much...

ccscientist

"ipso fatso" "some for ballast" hahahah

Airline seats: had a very chubby guy sitting next to me and that was bad enough but he played his gameboy the whole flight with elbows out way into my space (grown man with a gameboy, sheesh).
I don't really care if people are fat BUT if you want to climb stairs, avoid diabetes, have knees that work, etc. maybe avoid that. Choices have consequences but of course that is an evil thing to say. It is also true that even if truly oppressed (which they are not) young black men killing people is still a choice.

WTP

As a child, I was almost never asked what I’d like to eat. The idea of making demands or causing a fuss simply wasn’t on the map.

As a child my mother's uncle wast often quoted by my father saying, "The child will eat what is put in front of him and be damn glad he has it." Were that man to know what has become of his grandchildren and great-grandchildren he'd be spinning in his grave. I remember staying at a friends' house and being asked how I'd like my eggs. I was stunned as no one had ever asked. As people on tv and the movies often said "over easy" I was curious what that meant so I replied "over easy". I was quite embarrassed when my friend's mom laughed at me. Her husband told her that's what you get for asking a kid such a stupid question. In my defense, it has the word 'easy' in it and I actually had no idea it was the harder of the options.

pst314

As a child, I was almost never asked what I’d like to eat...

And that's the right way to do parenting raise children. Do not allow the children to become accustomed to the idea that they can make such demands. Train them in the right eating habits (and explain why) and hopefully they will continue those habits as adults.

...The idea of making demands or causing a fuss simply wasn’t on the map.

And that was so far off the map as to be terra incognita.

pst314

Airline seats: had a very chubby guy sitting next to me and that was bad enough but he played his gameboy the whole flight with elbows out way into my space (grown man with a gameboy, sheesh).

I'm sure he had plenty of excuses for his behavior.

...It is also true that even if truly oppressed (which they are not) young black men killing people is still a choice.

We can try to reform government and non-governmental institutions to reverse decades of harmful leftist policies, but in the end black people have to take responsibility for themselves. The same observation applies to British chavs, Irish travelers, and so on.)

Daniel Ream

I'm 6'4". Sitting in standard airline seats for many hours is not comfortable for me period

Preach, brother. And yet somehow I was able to buy extra-large bath sheets which will dry me off entirely (it's not the circumference, it's the absorption surface area) with a mere two clicks thanks to Amazon.

If you stay fat for a long time and then lose the wt, you will have huge rolls of loose skin hanging that look like shit. Also, if you destroy your knees or back, you can't revive them

There's a middle ground. The loose skin thing is a problem with rapid weight loss, as is typical of bariatric surgery. Losing weight gradually, and staying hydrated, the skin goes along with the fat. Ditto the knees/back thing; they'll never be 100%, but just not loading them with 100 extra pounds will make a world of difference.

The idea of making demands or causing a fuss simply wasn’t on the map.

I've noticed this as well. The number of people in my age cohort with children who are "fussy eaters" bewilders me. There's a strong correlation with "fussy eater" and "indulged their entire childhood", though, I've noticed.

pst314

"The child will eat what is put in front of him and be damn glad he has it."

It may have helped that my parents and grandparents lived through the Great Depression and knew what poverty was like.

pst314

Preach, brother. And yet somehow I was able to buy extra-large bath sheets which will dry me off entirely

I eventually realized that bath towels are actually more than I need to dry off completely. The hand towels from the better lines of linens are sufficient, and I'm 6'2". Which led me to a housecleaning epiphany: Use that hand towel once to dry off and then to wipe down the shower walls to prevent soap/lime buildup, and then throw it in the laundry hamper.

semi retired conservative

"""I don't want to look like a weirdo! I'll just go with the Muumuu.""

Homer J.

Darleen

That sounds like a "bath sheet", which I suspect was invented for the luxury market

I don't know about luxury market, but I like purchasing these because it is sheer luxury for me to step out of steamy shower and wrap up in oodles of fluffy terrycloth. I get terry bathrobes oversized too.

Life's too short not to indulge in little bits of personal luxury now and then.

WTP

It may have helped that my parents and grandparents lived through the Great Depression and knew what poverty was like.

Significantly. That uncle was born around 1895(?) either in Germany or came over on the boat with my grandmother as a small child. My mother's father, the uncle's brother-in-law, died in 1932 leaving her mother with three grammar school age children to raise. That uncle provided occasional odd jobs (he ran a small general store iirc) and advice for the family through the depression. People forget times were hard during the Depression but they had been much harder years before. We are all too young to know anyone of mature age who lived through the financial crisis/crises of the late 19th century but if you read contemporaneous accounts of the times things were quite hard then as well. It's what drove many people in the US west for more opportunities. Don't know if that era stuff affected Europe but that's about the time most of the people on my mother's side left Germany.

pst314

I don't know about luxury market...

It's possible that they existed 60 years ago and I was unaware only because as someone of modest means I ignored such things. But we have on average become more wealthy over the last 70 years which is what led me to speculate that this is a more recent thing.

Watcher In The Dark

When I was a kid, I am sure men's hankies were the size of a parachute canopy, but as I have got older (and maybe my hooter has grown larger) today's men's hankies seem pityingly small.

On the other hand, Mars bars could hold a barn door open and Wagon Wheels were the size of dinner plates. I expect then in years to come, people will complain that there was once a time when a Happy Meal satisfied a growing lad.

pst314

On the other hand, Mars bars could hold a barn door open...

See Stephen Jay Gould's funny essay Phyletic Size Decrease in Hershey Bars, which appears in his collection Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes. He could be a good science writer when he did not allow leftist politics to intrude.

David

There’s a strong correlation with “fussy eater” and “indulged their entire childhood”, though, I’ve noticed.

I’ve watched in silent fascination as a mother I know returned from work to start cooking an evening meal, while simultaneously cooking two entirely different meals, differing from each other, for her two teenage children, who were seemingly in charge of these things, thanks to proficiency in face-pulling and sub-verbal noises. A total of three different meals. However, the teenagers had yet to master the washing machine or vacuum cleaner, or the technical subtleties of doing the washing-up.

Captain Nemo

It seems to me there are three broad approaches to being notably fat[...] The second is to remain fat and get on with your life, and deal with the practicalities of fatness as a grown-up might.

That. I have a rather rotund disposition. I am not as rotund as I was, thanks to walking more and eating less over the last year or so, but I still have a long way to go to shift the accumulated consequences of a half-decade of gastronomic overindulgence. But not once in that time did I ever think that I should go through life making excuses, or worse, excessive and unreasonable demands on other people. Ultimately, I made myself fat - I'm responsible for my size and its consequences, not society, and I just need to deal with it. Oh, I've frequently been apologetically self-deprecating about my weight when necessary, but that's because I think a polite, humorous acknowledgment generally goes down better than being a whiny, narcissistic, and above all demanding git.

David

[ Fetches stool with extra, third leg. ]

Captain Nemo

Haha.

Darleen

However, the teenagers had yet to master the washing machine or vacuum cleaner, or the technical subtleties of doing the washing-up.

Heh. With 4 daughters I learned fast to avoid the morning clothing fights on why this or that wasn't washed by resigning from doing any of my daughters' laundry as soon as they were tall enough to reach the knobs on the washer & dryer. A couple of lessons on laundry soap and how to fold and I was DONE.

Mean mother that I was, they had regular chores and helped in the kitchen, too. And as soon as the eldest had her driver's license, I handed over the market list and enough cash and had her take #2 with her and they did the grocery shopping. I had them shopping for their own back-to-school clothes on a budget, and by themselves, as soon as they hit jr. high.

Amazing how much more competent adults they've become.

David

A couple of lessons on laundry soap and how to fold and I was DONE.

[ Passes Bra Of Wisdom. ]

NTSOG

There’s a strong correlation with “fussy eater” and “indulged their entire childhood”,

I have witnessed on numerous occasions, at schools where I consulted, mothers bringing a bag of fresh-cooked McDonalds 'health food' to the front office of said schools for their precious children to eat at lunch time.

Jim

ccscientist

I have hired neighbor boys to do yard work and several times I had to teach them to rake or pull weeds. They were 16 or 17. Unreal.
Weight: of all the things that are for sure your own fault, weight is up at the top. No one force fed you. No one stopped you from going for a walk. If you don't care, ok, but don't blame "society".

David

I’m looking particularly svelte tonight, in case you were wondering.

ruralcounsel

I have no problem with removing aircraft seatbelts for certain cargo, er "passengers" so long as they are relegated to their own part of the plane in case they become projectiles in the event of sudden deceleration or turbulence. Or perhaps they could have belts placed around their necks instead.

I'm still appalled that certain extra-large people are not required to purchase multiple adjacent seats so that they do not intrude upon their fellow passengers.

Lady Theo

My mind boggles. I am 38" in circumference at my widest point (shoulders). I sometimes look at oversized humans and calculate how many of me would fit into them.

The thing about becoming so large is that it doesn't really take that many calories to sustain. Activity slows to accommodate the size, and fat doesn't burn many calories. I suspect that the muscle mass of our Tormented-by-Towels heroine is only moderately larger than mine.

ccscientist

On a plane I had a 6ft 10in man next to me. He was not fat. To avoid being in my space, he leaned his forehead against the seat in front and put his arms in on his knees. Most considerate guy I ever saw.
Lady theo: you are right. Fat takes up twice the volume as muscle for the same weight. I saw a study years ago that found that slim people constantly move--shifting, twitching, looking around. Perhaps their body knows to burn off the extra calories. Very large people do not move much which makes it kind of a trap.

Directrix Gazer

I don't know if it's an upbringing or innate thing, but our 5 year old has always been very eager to help out around (and outside) the house. She berates me if I do a load of laundry in the evening without letting her put in the clothes and soap and push the buttons. She's been (over)eagerly helping us break in the garden at our new house. For more than a year, she has been helping load and unload the dishwasher.

Sure, she likes to goof off and color, or play Minecraft with her mom, too, but I can't imagine her being totally passive towards the chores. Of course, even if she had been so inclined, we wouldn't have abandoned her to those impulses.

I'm curious to see how her baby sister turns out.

Daniel Ream

Mean mother that I was, they had regular chores and helped in the kitchen, too.

You monstress.

I'm still appalled that certain extra-large people are not required to purchase multiple adjacent seats so that they do not intrude upon their fellow passengers.

As an extra-large person I would gladly pay for an extra seat if such an option were available, and I'm merely tall and broad. I did discover the Magic Trick though: upon boarding, inform the gate stewardess that you are "willing and able to assist in the event of an emergency, and are physically capable of removing and stowing the emergency exit door". They put you in the emergency aisle, with an extra 12" of leg room.

I don't know if it's an upbringing or innate thing, but our 5 year old has always been very eager to help out

Children mimic. It's what they do. Parents with children who don't want to ape what mommy or daddy are doing are parents who have, consciously or otherwise, discouraged their children from doing so. The particularly nasty wife of a friend of mine once took a birdhouse painting project away from her four-year-old and finished it herself because the four-year-old wasn't doing a very good job of it.

NTSOG

ccscientist: "I have hired neighbor boys to do yard work and several times I had to teach them to rake or pull weeds. They were 16 or 17."

My wife, 70 years old and petite, though very fit [ex-marathon runner] has occasionally hired the neighbouring lads of about 13 and 15 to help rake up as part of summer fire prevention around the house. Both lads needed initial coaching on the necessary skills and neither lasted more than an hour any time they were employed before pleading exhaustion. I believe they spend most of the time playing computer games and are rarely seen out-of-doors though they live on a three acre rural property. A couple of years ago I offered to help their parents after a number of large trees came down in a storm. I used my large tractor, chainsaw and hydraulic wood splitter, but made it clear that I would not do so unless both boys were also involved picking up and stacking split wood. I was damned if I was going to offer my [free] labour and use my machinery while the two indolent lads played computer games inside. Had I not demanded their involvement I know they would have been allowed to just go on playing their games by their PW parents.

Jim

bobby b

"I don't know if it's an upbringing or innate thing, but our 5 year old has always been very eager to help out around (and outside) the house."

You do understand that she's planning on doing away with you as soon as she hits self-sufficiency, don't you?

Keep some secrets. Make her need you. It's your only chance.

WTP

On a plane I had a 6ft 10in man next to me. He was not fat. To avoid being in my space, he leaned his forehead against the seat in front and put his arms in on his knees. Most considerate guy I ever saw.

See, it's stuff like this. Once I stopped growing, vertically anyway, at 17 or so I grew out of the awkwardness (NPI) and mostly forgot about it until, as I said, I read the article about the UF center and some things came back to me. The stumbling, the "spaz" ridicule and such that came from limbs growing faster than a mind can keep up with. Literal growing pains (mine were probably no worse than most moderately tall guys) during growth spurts. The self-conscious awareness of everyone looking at you, especially if you stumble or such. You can't really hide. This 6' 10" guy probably had that in spades and if he didn't grow up at least moderately athletic there's no reward to balance that pain out. Yet people probably treat him like he's self centered or such because of his self conscious instincts to the degree that he had become the most considerate guy you'd ever met. I've worked with a few guys who were a bit taller than me and, given my software/engineering profession, most of them were not much into athletics at all. I could see how such a thing had affected their personalities especially as we tech types also are more introverted.

WTP

I did discover the Magic Trick though: upon boarding, inform the gate stewardess that you are "willing and able to assist in the event of an emergency, and are physically capable of removing and stowing the emergency exit door". They put you in the emergency aisle, with an extra 12" of leg room.

I usually didn't fly more often than once or twice a year. I haven't flown anywhere since early 2018 or so. But I had only moderate success at this trick, and was especially not successful when changing planes. The last few years before 2018 I noticed the seats were individually priced such that the bulkhead and exit rows were more expensive. Depends on the airline I suppose.

pst314

[ Fetches stool with extra, third leg. ]

You mean most of your stools only have 2 legs? Maybe that's why I keep falling over. I thought it was the alcohol.

pst314

Children mimic. It's what they do.

Not enough parents realize that and act accordingly. If you want your kids to be physically fit then you yourself should routinely do fitness-related things. If you want your kids to read, then you should read and have books around. And if you want your kids to not be couch potatoes, then you should not spend hours and hours watching TV or playing video games. And so on.

NTSOG

Children mimic. It's what they do.

I've always liked 'Monkey see, monkey do!' though I suppose some self-righteous twit would take offence nowadays.

Jim

NTSOG

More on 'Children mimic'

Over many years I received referrals from parents asking for help in managing girls or boys [usually developmentally delayed/different in some way] who were bashing up their siblings in the family home. It is common for this behaviour to escalate as such children develop through puberty, mothers get older and more fatigued and the children become bigger and stronger than their mothers so they are also bashed. In every case I found that an aggressive father and an occasional angry mother used corporal punishment to 'manage' the aggressive child from very young. Getting such parents to cease bashing their 'naughty' children [and understand 'monkey see, monkey do'] is extremely difficult. A standard defence was 'My father used to teach me my manners by caning or strapping me; it didn't hurt me and it won't hurt my child'. It can get to the point that siblings of such violent children start to carry weapons such as cut-down broom handles to defend themselves and some mothers, if father is not present to protect them, have to lock themselves in their bedrooms for their own safety. In one case and in spite of my pleading that she not spank her 6 year old child with a large wooden spoon but follow the behaviour program that was successful at the mainstream school, one mother continued bashing her daughter. By the time the mother was 45 and her daughter a strapping 17 year old, the tables were turned and the situation was beyond salvage.

What goes around, comes around.

Jim

asiaseen

certain cargo, er "passengers"

Flightdeck crews have been known to refer to passengers as "self-loading cargo".

Daniel Ream

But I had only moderate success at this trick

I'm given to understand that FAA rules dictate that you may not sit in the emergency row unless you are ready, willing and able to assist in the event of an emergency, which practically means being able to detach the emergency door and chuck it over the wing of the plane or shove it under the seat so people can get out. Perhaps this has changed? I know I've seen people move out of the emergency row because they didn't want the responsibility.

WTP

In every case I found that an aggressive father and an occasional angry mother used corporal punishment to 'manage' the aggressive child from very young.

There are indeed limits on the effectiveness of the application of corporal punishment. However the logic applied here is akin to the "marijuana is a gateway drug to heroine" or similar. The near total abandonment of corporal punishment is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Most of the kids that I grew up with who had some form of CP applied turned out fine. Better than most even. However I did not know many (or any that I knew at the time) whose parents (usually father) went ape-shit crazy on the kids. I did learn later on/recently about a couple of high school acquaintances/teammates whose fathers were moderately violent alcoholics. Though the two I'm thinking of right now turned out ok themselves. Granted there were other issues there but they are more successful than most. The several of the kids whose parents were more laissez faire or relied on logic and reason were trouble. The only ones that weren't were mostly girls or the more studious or even slightly effeminate or very mild mannered boys. A few of those latter failed to launch. While I don't doubt your observation I suspect the stress and the frustration dealing with troubled children, especially in past generations, had much to do with the resort to more extreme corporal punishment.

One thing though... I think we fail to grasp how dramatically society has changed in just 150-200 years. In the past, families were much, much larger on average and there were a lot of failures to launch, old maids, troubled souls who died young due to one form of violence or another, etc. Just/mostly since the dawn of the 20th century did families start to get smaller with more pressure on the fewer children to do much better.

WTP

I know I've seen people move out of the emergency row because they didn't want the responsibility.

I do recall this in earlier days and once after seating I was able to procure such a seat after the stewardess kind of intimidated a small person into moving. But I don't recall it happening recently. Probably not since 9/11, though I could be wrong. I don't recall exactly how long ago the seat selection at purchase started. But like I said, it's been about four years since I've flown.

David

Speaking of the airborne and hefty, let’s not forget the charming Lindy West.

Martin D

She then complained, seemingly without irony, that “nobody wants to sit next to a fat person on a plane.”

She sounds nice.

PiperPaul

You do understand that she's planning on doing away with you

Hence the (over)eager interest in the garden - that's where the bodies will be buried.

David

She sounds nice.

Surliness, hangovers, and gluttony are things of which Ms West likes to publicly boast, along with her fits of passive-aggressive and outright aggressive behaviour, while simultaneously invoking victimhood. Which probably tells us something about who she is. Again, these things – “fat activism” in particular – seem to attract a remarkable concentration of shitty people.

Ray

Worse flight I ever took I was in a centre seat between two fat boys. Ok, no arm rests, but all three of us were wearing short sleeved shirts and I was folding myself up to avoid skin contact. I've never worn a short sleeved shirt on a plane since.

David
Elsewhere in the Guardian, we’re informed… that obesity tends to limit one’s access to a flattering wardrobe, which is a form of oppression; that taking selfies from above, to minimise double chins, is a form of “fatphobia” and therefore oppression; and that restaurants often fail to provide widened, armless, reinforced chairs in order to accommodate their more girthful customers. Which is, obviously, a form of oppression.

Somewhat related.

Also this.

Stephanie Richer

What if . . . places like Walmart and other grocery outlets got rid of the mechanized mobility scooters, thus forcing the people who use them to either walk, order online, or starve?

I am at the tail end of the Boomer generation and I have stopped being surprised at the number of my like-aged colleagues who have just given up. By that, I mean, whether it is their health or the willingness to learn a new technology, they just have abdicated personal responsibility. It came to a head where I was at a function where some woman tee-hee-hee'd that she just was "too old to learn," so I took her two hands into mine and solemnly told her, "Then it is your time to die."

Unfortunately, this mindset of "some[one/thing] will take care of it" has been assumed by subsequent generations.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Anti-fat is also anti-black, according to "gi gi" (she/they) who claims her father was so fat he had to go to the zoo to get an MRI.

This is, of course, a load of codswallop as MRIs cannot be made infinitely huge.

Both large and small animals are imaged using MRI. Imaging of large animal patients, due to size constraints, is limited to the limbs and head.

Human limits are around 500 lbs for the table and 24 or so inches width. These people not only whine but lie, open MRI machines can accommodate the Zeppelinoid.

TomJ

Not really related...

Captain Nemo

World to end: transgenders hardest hit:

https://twitter.com/aewerner/status/1496703650022010886

David

Ephemera…. compiled.

[ Slumps across keyboard, spent but heroic. ]

pst314

[ Slumps across keyboard, spent but heroic. ]

Quick, somebody give David a fortifying dish of hump fat!

Watcher In The Dark

Flightdeck crews have been known to refer to passengers as "self-loading cargo".

I was once on a marketing course, where I was informed that British Rail (internally, at least) referred to passengers as Human Freight.

Incidentally on the same course I learned that a once well-known menswear retailer in the UK which sold tweed jackets, flat caps, striped ties and waistcoats to reasonably well-off males had the bright idea of all the male staff actually wearing the clothes they sold, at work. Wonderful idea, the result of which was their staff left in droves to find other employment.

Em

"A body-positivity activist has claimed that diet, exercise, and general promoting of healthy lifestyles are all examples of 'conversation therapy' for fat people."

https://thepostmillennial.com/activist-says-diet-and-exercise-is-conversion-therapy-for-fat-people

🤡

ccscientist

"conversion therapy for fat people" ahahahahah right. People are forcing the fat to put the fork down...not

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...transgenders hardest hit:

...marginalized people are always hit first...organizations that are helping...

Unless those signs are actually Level 4 plates and they are where ever the front is, I really doubt they will either be the first hit or helping.

pst314

Urgent reminder about Ukraine. Glad to see that trans activists have their priorities straight.

pst314

"Straight." 😀

Governor Squid

"self-loading cargo"

A friend of mine went on one of those "windjammer" type cruises a few years back, and afterwards claimed that this made him "a sailor like Squid!" I may have rolled my eyes a bit too obviously, as he asked me what the problem was.

"Did you haul on a halyard to raise the sails?"
No.
"Did you trim the sails when the weather changed?"
No.
"Did you stand at the helm and steer a steady course?"
No.
"Did you at any time tie a bowline or a sheet hitch, check the bilge, scrub the deck, or wish you had a pair of gloves to protect the tender skin on your hands from getting damaged?"
No.
"Then my dear Kristopher, I'm afraid you're not a sailor -- you're cargo."

Fortunately he's a really good sport and we all had a good laugh.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I'll see your "transgenders", and raise you...

WTP

tie a bowline

Ah, but can you tie a bowline using only one hand and blindfolded? I was told this ability could very well come in handy one day if say you fell down a well, broke one arm and were blinded somehow in the process. Funny they never mentioned a boat.

Daniel Ream

whether it is their health or the willingness to learn a new technology

In all fairness, neuroplasticity declines dramatically by one's late 20s. There's something in tech called (tongue in cheek) "Stoll's Syndrome" where an aging tech nerd, not realizing this basic fact of neuropsychiatry, subconsciously rejects a new technology because he can't absorb it as quickly or easily as he's used to.

I am keenly aware that I can't learn and retain as quickly as when I was younger, so I have to work harder at it these days. Fortunately the core tenets of software engineering haven't changed much.

I'm afraid you're not a sailor -- you're cargo

I'm reminded of this scene from What About Bob?

Squires

Glad to see that trans activists have their priorities straight.

Cossax.

ccscientist

Daniel: given that I started out with punch cards and Fortran IV, I feel good that I have kept up as well as I have (as a person who writes code to compute things, not as a software engineer). I am happy to admit that learning another language (say Python) is way too much work.
Ukraine--funny how twisted people's priorities are. How would black lives mattering in the US help the people of Ukraine? Are we going to not lend assistance ever to anyone around the world until the US is perfect? Sure, good plan.

ccscientist

Ukraine: they agreed to give up nukes if the West would protect them from Russia. Guess they didn't pinky swear.

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