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Those Critical Faculties

Come, let us dip a toe in the world of woke theatre criticism. From the pages of Intermission magazine, where the Toronto Star’s theatre critics, Aisling Murphy and Karen Fricker, applaud each other, and thereby themselves, for seeing an indigenous play and submitting to conditions on what they may say about it:

We both responded really positively to the show. But the reason we’re not writing a traditional review is because [playwright and director] Kim Harvey did not invite reviews of this Toronto premiere production of Kamloopa. This follows on from the world premiere production in 2018 in Vancouver in which she invited Indigenous women to write love letters to the show but did not invite traditional reviews.

You see, for Ms Harvey, our unflinching and very indigenous creative person, “staging theatre productions is a form of Indigenous ceremony,” and is therefore, conveniently, exempt from customary feedback, i.e., reviews of a kind that paying customers might have found useful, had they been available. And so, reviewers of pallor, should they be permitted, must first attend a circle, in which they will be told, in advance, how artful and profound the work in question is, and what they should say about it. After all, it’s so much easier on the ego, and any teetering vanity, if no acknowledgement of any shortcoming is permitted.

Despite not being brown and magical beings themselves, Ms Murphy and Ms Fricker are keen to show their approval of, and deference to, this artistic innovation:

Here, white critics were invited, but with the caveat of listening and bearing witness to Kim’s artistic philosophies first: to me, that felt not only fair but really rich. 

Bearing witness, you say. To artistic philosophies. Because you can’t just turn up with tickets in the hope of entertainment.

Given their alleged importance, the particulars of these philosophies remain oddly mysterious. It isn’t clear what arcane knowledge would have to be bestowed upon white people in order for them to determine whether the play is actually any good. Yet we are left to assume that some creative vastness, again unspecified, couldn’t possibly be squeezed into “traditional reviews.” At least when those reviews are written by white people. 

Says Ms Murphy,

I think for me, hearing Kim lay out so concretely her mandates was a big moment, as someone not just writing my own reviews, but curating what gets reviewed and how for Intermission… I really appreciated the circle as a chance to examine my own ethics and mandates in dialogue with Kim’s, and other artists’, and how those thoughts manifest in the form of theatre reviewing.

Ms Fricker is not to be outdone:

Some of our critical colleagues have responded negatively to their requests and invitations – or in some cases, have not responded to those invitations at all. This may be because they understand themselves to be committed to certain traditions of Western theatre criticism in which, for example, a critic would avoid contact with an artist before a show if they were intending to write a review because this would compromise objectivity (or so the thinking goes). It seems to me, though, that Kim and Yolanda are challenging the very foundations of that tradition and inviting us to see its connections to Western, patriarchal colonial histories.  

But of course. And so, if you’re a critic and you don’t appreciate being given lengthy preconditions regarding what it is you will think and write, and how approving you must be, and if you don’t appreciate racial vetoes on who may or may not offer feedback, then by implication you’re a tool of patriarchy and Western colonialism. A bad person. Unlike our enlightened, more progressive duo.

Untroubled by irony, Ms Fricker goes on to mourn the ongoing, quite rapid decline of her profession and of the wider newsprint industry, before surrendering to the impulse for further gushing:

But the thing is, as you say, these Indigenous matriarchs are actively, generously offering alternatives. They’re offering teaching and leadership and possible futures for interactions between artists and cultural responders. 

Cultural responders. The fourth emergency service.

Alas, the “teaching and leadership” session on how to pre-emptively approve of indigenous theatre - there being, it seems, no permissible alternative – was, like similar events, “sparsely attended.” 

And for that to be rejected or ignored…. that’s deeply problematic because it’s yet another form of disrespect to Indigenous woman at a time when all those of us who are fortunate to live and work on this land need to be offering Indigenous people – especially Indigenous woman – respect, support, and love. 

What you’re hearing, dear reader, is the sound of racial prostration. It’s the way of the woke.

Should you live in Canada and wish to see Kamloopa, you can buy tickets here, before swooning with approval.

Via Jonathan Kay.

Heavens, a button. I wonder what it does. 

Comments

Richard

The way of "leave your brain at the door". Fascinating how the world of woke is a closed one - the correct answer has already been supplied.

Stephanie Richer

From the play's website:

"But how do you discover yourself when Columbus allegedly already did that?"

Columbus never made it to Canada.

Think I'll wait for the movie. I'm seeing it as a rom-com with a cameo by Cher as "the Elder."

Rafi

these Indigenous matriarchs are actively, generously offering alternatives.

'Generously'.

Mags

Untroubled by irony, Ms Fricker goes on to mourn the ongoing, quite rapid decline of her profession and of the wider newsprint industry,

That.

Nikw211

Cultural responders. The fourth emergency service.

There is a certain Charlie's Angels quality in the 2018 promotional video.

Well, if you try very hard, and if you remember that Charlie's Angels wasn't actually very good, there is.

Sue Sims

Venite, adoremus...

David

‘Generously’.

In much the same way that not allowing the white devil to review your play is fearless, heroic, stunning and brave.

JJM

Another example of how indigenous activists always tend to be "self-marginalizing".

asiaseen

Ms Bonnell could never be accused of putting in a lightweight performance.

Jen

Cultural responders. The fourth emergency service.

LOL

Jack Klompus

Cultural responders. The fourth emergency service.

Is there a three-digit number you call to report an appropriation or do they use something like a Bat Signal? Do they carry a decolonizer akin to a defibrillator? A uniform design contest could elicit some creative entries for these front line heroes.

sH2

What you’re hearing, dear reader, is the sound of racial prostration.

That.

Squires

In much the same way that not allowing the white devil to review your play is fearless...

I was thinking she's being very generous to neurotic white women in the same sense that Nurse Ratched was generous to the patients in her care.

David

That.

Well, it does have that air about it. And however you arrange the players, it’s a game that’s fairly unpleasant.

David
We’re told that being a “coloured” or “Indigenous” writer is fraught with “structural oppression,” on account of being “marginalised” – as when being invited to literary award parties and then swooned over by pretentious pale-skinned lefties. “Whiteness” and “white men” are particular burdens to Ms Whittaker and her peers, whose suffering – their “collective plight” - is seemingly endless and endlessly fascinating, at least among those for whom such woes are currency. As Ms Whittaker’s world is one of practised self-involvement, her point is at times unobvious. However, our unhappy poet appears to be annoyed both by “underwhelming responses” to her own writing and by insufficiently convincing displays of approval. All that “endless patronising praise.”

At which point, the words high maintenance spring to mind.

Somewhat related.

David

Pronouns, obviously.

Maynard G. Krebs

Every "indigenous" person is a mystic and every person of pallor is profane. I thought everyone knew that.

anon a mouse

"Ms Bonnell could never be accused of putting in a lightweight performance."

Ah. Glad I didn't clickage, then...

"Every "indigenous" person is a mystic"

Indeed. Well, some of us are part mystic... or "semi mystic". Fractional mystic? Segment mystic?

Hmmm

Dan C

Tip Jar Hit.

The only thing more depraved than the “cultural responders” telling us what to think are the indigenous women thinking so little of themselves that they subject themselves to these “introductions.”

Squires

....as when being invited to literary award parties and then swooned over by pretentious pale-skinned lefties.

It is the performance they are paying her for, after all.

Pronouns, obviously.

Snort.

But yes, he did indeed interrupt a perverse kind of role-playing session.

David

Tip Jar Hit.

Bless you, sir. In warm weather, may your gelatin vitamin D capsules not congeal into one enormous lump the size of a child’s fist.

ccscientist

Just like we were supposed to judge the female "ghostbusters" by a different standard because vaginas or something. Interesting that no one says we should judge black basketball players or musicians by a different standard, just med students.
The Southwest Indian pottery, jewelry, and fabrics are held up as special, and they are very nice, but they are not that "traditional". When a group brings us traditional Celtic song or dance, no one suggests that we bow down or suspend our critical faculties. Please.
In the subway level at the Atlanta airport, there is a huge display of African sculpture. You don't need to pretend. It is very cool. If you need to censor the critics then your art is crap.

Darleen

a critic would avoid contact with an artist before a show if they were intending to write a review because this would compromise objectivity (or so the thinking goes).

Looks like the "indigenous" have fully embraced the White Left demand that any "art" is not to be enjoyed or assessed on its own merits but on the identity of the creator.

Funny, that.

pst314

Parents of two black carjacking victims won't let them identify the thugs who shot them because the shooters are black.

Steve E

Indigenous theatre is only sightly less popular than the WNBA and Women's soccer. A couple of hundred people might see the play including the two reporters and the actor's families. So in the same way you wouldn't shit on a little show put on by your kids and their friends, you don't need to offend this small group. It's when I go to commercial theatre and have to listen to some inane and usually incorrect land acknowledgement that needs more push back.

And indigenous people wonder why they've been infantalized in the west.

Bec

to me, that felt not only fair but really rich

No Majority member is born a Truckler. Truckling is the result of an educational process — sometimes years in the making, sometimes an overnight conversion — in which the aspiring young politician or professional has drilled into him the contemporary American catechism of success. He learns that he must be tactful rather than truthful, that he may question the non-controversial but not the controversial, that he must sail before the winds of "public opinion" but not head into them. He is taught to fear all the current no-nos as thoroughly as primeval man was taught to fear the taboos of his day.

Wilmot Robertson, The Dispossessed Majority

John

Parents of two black carjacking victims won't let them identify the thugs who shot them

Playing Devils Advocate could this simply be a case of the parents being aware of the flourishing “snitches get stitches” culture and fear that their daughters, and indeed themselves, will pay heavily. In such a situation, with zero confidence in the polices ability or even willingness to protect the innocent, the young ladies might have got off lightly with just non-lethal gunshot wounds.

Meanwhile the Dindu Bros are free to start planning their next risk-free offence.

Daniel Ream

We don't call it the Red Star for nothing.

Columbus never made it to Canada

Canada suffers a kind of national inferiority complex. We obsess over whatever's going on in the States and ignore our issues at home. Our leftists screech about how evil the US is and then import the US left's neuroses wholesale.

all those of us who are fortunate to live and work on this land need to be offering Indigenous people – especially Indigenous woman – respect, support, and love

And horse-trampling. Which the Indians of our deranged Dominion seem peculiarly silent about.

Jim Whyte

DR: I've often made the observation that the most anti-American Canadians are the ones most thoroughly colonized by an American mindset. And screechy, too, as you point out.

David

Looks like the “indigenous” have fully embraced the White Left demand that any “art” is not to be enjoyed or assessed on its own merits but on the identity of the creator.

Judging by the duo’s own references to the performance itself, it’s not clear to me what arcane knowledge – those artistic philosophies to which the unwashed must bear witness - would have to be shared in order to determine whether the thing is any good. Whatever the particulars of the “teaching and leadership” on offer, and we are largely left to guess, they don’t appear to be a decisive factor in any critical appraisal. The play, as described, doesn’t seem to include much that would otherwise confound a conventional “Western” review.

Though of course the ladies’ mutual tongue-bath shies from any attempt at “the judgment part.”

Daniel Ream

And indigenous people wonder why they've been infantalized in the west.

For the benefit of our American friends: Indians, in Canada are legally second-class citizens. Quite literally - they're "wards of the Crown", a status entirely separate from "citizen".

Now, one has to admire the political judo they've engaged in to turn that into a kind of privileged elite status, but it's come at the cost of becoming a permanent learned-helplessness welfare caste.

And screechy, too, as you point out

"There is no difference between Americans and Canadians and the surest way to demonstrate this is to point it out to a Canadian." ~ Pierre Berton

Steve E

Now, one has to admire the political judo they've engaged in to turn that into a kind of privileged elite status, but it's come at the cost of becoming a permanent learned-helplessness welfare caste.

Turdeau the Oneth offered to scrap the Indian Act and turn them into citizens with the same status as every other Canadian and they promptly turned down the offer. The Indigenous Elite have a good thing going. They long ago recognized the benefits of keeping their own people dependent on the Crown.

WTP

Pinged.

pst314

Indians, in Canada are legally second-class citizens. Quite literally - they're "wards of the Crown", a status entirely separate from "citizen".

Jaw drops.

WTP

Turdeau the Oneth offered to scrap the Indian Act and turn them into citizens with the same status as every other Canadian and they promptly turned down the offer.

Curious for clarification...they can apply for full citizenship if they wish, correct? I mean I presume that would make sense but then making sense is not what any of this is about.

pst314

Call me reckless, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this guy is not sane.

asiaseen

decolonizer

It all depends how you say it - first "o" long or short. Me, I prefer the long "o", a device for extracting heads from arses.

Columbus never made it to Canada

By all accounts he never made it to the North American mainland at all, Cuba was about as far as he got.

Daniel Ream

Jaw drops

It's one of the farcical things about the current Canadian neurosis - imported from the US - about blacks and systemic racism. Canada as a nation never had slavery, has more Indians (dot or feather) than blacks, and absolutely has institutionalized racism - if you're an Indian.

But our older brother the US freaks out about blacks and racism, so we have to do it too, but different, because we're totally not copying.

Daniel Ream

they can apply for full citizenship if they wish, correct?

They can, but there's no benefit to them of doing so. They don't have to pay sales or income taxes, if they're part of a band they get free money regularly as part of the government welfare, most of them qualify for free post-secondary education.

Like I said, I have to admire the political judo.

Steve E

Curious for clarification...

According to a ruling by the Supreme Court, they will always be considered Indians (that is the official term in the act, it's not a pejorative) and technically if they are officially Status Indians they cannot have that Status taken away. But they can enfranchise and not exercise their "Status rights" opting instead for "citizenship rights." But there's really not benefit to not exercise status. Several recent rulings by the Court have effectively allowed Indians to have things both ways in many cases.

pst314

Seven Kids, One Only Ten Years Old, Hunt and Kill Elderly Philadelphia Man.
Laughing as they murder him.

pst314

Laughing as they murder him.

Liberals have told me "there is no such thing as the knockout game", and that it is racist to say there is.

Fr1day

Columbus may not have made it, but some rather less effete folks were at L'anse aux Meadows well before he was a twinkle in either parent's eye. Perhaps if two spirit tricksters were pursued by hirsute axemen yelling about skraelings, there would be less silly bullshit posted in 'love letters.'

Richard Cranium

Odd there's no mention of the elderly Philadelphia man's race.

pst314

Odd there's no mention of the elderly Philadelphia man's race.

He's black.

They would have shouted his race if his killers had been white.

Richard Cranium

Thanks @pst314!

The version of the video I saw pixelated the victim but did not pixelate the perpetrators, which I thought was rather odd.

The victim didn't deserve to be beaten to death on the street. I hold a slightly different opinion about the people who beat him to death.

Princess Cutekitten

Pst314: “... this guy is not sane.”

What? What’s wrong with him? Seems okay to me.

David

Pinged

Bless you, sir. May your enemies be obliged to sit through season three of The Umbrella Academy.

John

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/woman-deficates-during-brawl-birmingham-27457287

Retail shopping experience UK style. These ladies don’t steal sh1t from the store, they leave some behind.

(Shamelessly copied from Tim Worstall’s blog).

David

I was thinking she’s being very generous to neurotic white women in the same sense that Nurse Ratched was generous to the patients in her care.

It’s remarkable just how much ‘progressive’ commentary is basically the inept social signalling of racially neurotic middle-class women. It’s very much a staple. You have to wonder how exhausting it must be to remain so contrived - to remember and enact all of the required pretensions. It doesn’t sound like a way to be happy, or credible, or psychologically healthy.

Ted S., Catskill Mtns, NY, USA

"Deficate"?

asiaseen

"Deficate"?

Don't worry, it's a "newspaper" for the untutored masses - the subs or reporters are not paid to know how to spell.

PiperPaul

subs or reporters are not paid to know how to spell

My theory is that computers have dumbed-down a lot of output since it's so easy to produce something that resembles a professional product but the finer details are lost. Why hire someone expensive who can write clearly, spell and use proper grammar when you can get a temp, intern or non-native English speaker for 1/4 or 1/2 the cost?

pst314

What? What’s wrong with him? Seems okay to me.

pst314

[ Spock peruses David's archives. ]

Geoffrey

"In order to better understand logic, I have decided to peruse the most illogical thoughts I can find. By understanding what logic is not, I can better understand what logic is."

pst314

[ Spock returns briefly after washing out his eyes.]

"Indeed, gentlemen. May I point out that I had an opportunity to observe your counterparts here quite closely. They were brutal, savage, unprincipled, uncivilized, treacherous - in every way splendid examples of homo sapiens, the very flower of humanity."

Daniel Ream

You have to wonder how exhausting it must be to remain so contrived - to remember and enact all of the required pretensions.

"OMG Becky, those opinions are soooo last season."

It's the same dynamic as Darwin's "telescopic philanthropy" or the literal "holier than thou" competition within evangelical communities. It's just fashion trends as a proxy for female competition for status within the herd.

David

It’s just fashion trends as a proxy for female competition for status within the herd.

I mean, yes, it can be a little bewildering or alienating, or at least socially awkward, to realise that your views are wildly out of step with prevailing trends. But to follow the trends and perform these neurotic affectations, most of which are prone to seemingly random updates, seems much, much worse.

pst314

I think that was Charles Dickens, not Darwin.

pst314

Telescopic philanthropy in Punch.

ccscientist

Virtue signals: When one was just competing with their local group/tribe/small town, one did not have to go to extremes to be considered righteous. But to compete within a city of millions and online, only the most extreme views will stand out. Of course, what they miss is that they cannot win this game and, worse, it often plays against their own interests. We are currently witnessing the striving for perfect virtue, in the covid response and in the climate change attack on fossil fuels, of a suicidal movement. Shut. Down. Everything. What could go wrong?

Geoffrey

It makes me really miss the religious right. Sure, they caused problems. But I'd rather deal with people who insist women should only be home-makers than people who don't even know what a woman is.

This is a simplified way to put it, but I find it is generally true. The radical right takes ideas that work for many people(Such as traditional gender roles), and then totalize them and force compliance on everyone. The radical left takes ideas that apply to almost nobody (gender ideology), and then does the same thing. The right is less dysfunctional, in this sense, because their ideas work for at least a decent chunk of the population, whereas the lefts ideas work for only a handful of people, or perhaps none.

I worry that the pendulum swing away from the radical left will bring us into an era where the radical right is ascendant. But even that would be an improvement from where we are now.

Darleen

I worry that the pendulum swing away from the radical left will bring us into an era where the radical right is ascendant.

Contrary to Atwood and her sisterhood, the only actual theocratic nations currently are Muslim ones. And they had to obliterate all sense of individual autonomy, and have all the guns, to get there. The American "religious right" may have had in the past enough cultural sway to influence some laws, but at least Constitutional guardrails kept it from going the Iranian route.

This is why I look at the garment-rending left with their calls to either 1) pack SCOTUS 2) Disband SCOTUS or 3) assassinate current SCOTUS justices and shake my head. They want to seize control by any means necessary and never consider that those same tools can and will be used against them later.

pst314

I don't think the American "religious right" ever wanted to exclude all women from the workplace, much less from the more prestigious and high-paying professions. Rather, they opposed the left's efforts to have the State take over the raising of children (for purposes of indoctrination) while the women were all moved into the workplace. And they rightly maintained that child-rearing is a valuable and natural activity of mothers which deserves respect, not Marxist feminists heaped upon it.

pst314

So, the people labeled "the religious right" are not the totalitarians the left made them out to be.

Darleen

pst314, I'm in agreement with you. The Left has always made the "rr" a kind of boogeyman where if some church leader says moms should make their young children the priority in their lives that becomes "Christofascists will make it law to stay home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen ... ARGH!"

Daniel Ream

I think that was Charles Dickens, not Darwin.

[ laughs ] Plucking autocucumber. Although I could argue that expending resources on tedious virtue signaling in benefit of those outside your tribe is a kind of Darwinism...

what they miss is that they cannot win this game and, worse, it often plays against their own interests

The most attractive queen bees can take the hit. The average women knock themselves out of the running by following suit. All is proceeding according to plan. Or at least evo psych.

"the religious right" are not the totalitarians the left made them out to be

Some of them were. What are sometimes called the "paleoconservatives" absolutely advocated for laws based on their flavour of evangelical Christianity, including a federal ban on abortion and the return of mandatory prayer in public schools. How much influence any of them had on real legislators is anyone's guess, just don't forget we're in a time of unprecedented collectivism and secularism in the West. The "religious right" currently has to fight for the barest crumbs of concessions because they're outside the Overton window.

Contrary to Atwood and her sisterhood, the only actual theocratic nations currently are Muslim ones

I remember when the book came out and everyone hailed it as a trenchant critique of Chimpy McBusHitlerBurton's Christofascist America and I was like, "you know Gilead is literally the guys we're fighting right now, right?"

Uma Thurmond's Feet

subs or reporters are not paid to know how to spell

To cut costs, many newspapers got rid of their copy desks. You're seeing the result.

Not just in spelling. Copy editors see the news fresh and can raise issues, particularly potential libel.

pst314

The most attractive queen bees can take the hit.

Such as when exceptionally beautiful fashion models wear ridiculous clothing and accessories, perhaps.

Joe Ego

Some of them were.

There are more than religious reasons to encourage mothers to stay home to raise their own children and repeal the 19th amendment.

pst314

Some of them were.

I wonder how many, though. And how accurately their opinions were reported. That was back before the internet and before I started paying serious attention to politics: Nearly all the news/information I got was from the mainstream/establishment/left-controlled news industry, and in retrospect I am ready to question everything they told me.

semi retired conservative

Nearly all the news/information I got was from the mainstream/establishment/left-controlled news industry, and in retrospect I am ready to question everything they told me.

+1 I used to be a news junkie. I have not read a newspaper (carbon form or super highway form) or watched a mainstream news broadcast in years.

In respect to the Roe/Wade issue in the Excited States, I have come to realize that I don't know which side to be on based on actual neglected facts. Does life begin at conception ? When the head exits the twinkle cave ? When the thing finally gets up and changes the channel on its own ?
Who knows.

I am a conservative Canadian agnostic (read just to the right of a Massive Twoshits Pinko Commie in Liberty Speak) who is in favour of abortion rights up to and including post natal limits (the driving license limit.. ha). But I am the first to admit I don't know the answer to the above question. But the fact we are no longer even allowed to have that discussion without a blue hair screech whale calling us ISMS !! tells me which side I am automagically on...

WTP

Some of them were. What are sometimes called the "paleoconservatives" absolutely advocated for laws based on their flavour of evangelical Christianity, including a federal ban on abortion and the return of mandatory prayer in public schools. How much influence any of them had on real legislators is anyone's guess, just don't forget we're in a time of unprecedented collectivism and secularism in the West. The "religious right" currently has to fight for the barest crumbs of concessions because they're outside the Overton window.

Oh, this. I attended a religious school (Presbyterian) that was considered rather mainstream-ish as such schools went back in the day. Baseball pitching great Tommy John was a coach there. One alumni married early tech magnate Steve Case (AOL). Most parents, especially those who did not attend the associated church, did not grasp how extreme some of the teaching was. They truly wanted to eventually establish a right-wing religioustheocracy. Their earliest attempts at political power were mostly dashed by an absurdly ridiculous, bizarre scandal that some on this side of the pond may recall, though there were mildly significant connections to the Bush and even Reagan administrations. I doubt those administrations really grasped how extreme this school was. It has since become significantly more mainstream such that even a few of my more liberal friends have sent their children there.

Squires

The most attractive queen bees can take the hit.

But only so much of a hit. I've long suspected this dynamic works from both ends of the spectrum. The A1 lookers can afford a certain degree of slapdash tattoos, cattle piercings, and shithead attitude without completely fucking themselves over in the sexual marketplace. Meanwhile the most influential ugles of the feminist clown car can only benefit by encouraging the average-and-above in pulchritude to adopt unnattractive traits.

Carol

I mean, yes, it can be a little bewildering or alienating, or at least socially awkward, to realise that your views are wildly out of step with prevailing trends. But to follow the trends and perform these neurotic affectations, most of which are prone to seemingly random updates, seems much, much worse.

That. Can't count how many times I've had to bite my tongue.

David

Can’t count how many times I’ve had to bite my tongue.

Well, quite. Though my usual reluctance to cause a scene occasionally gives way to my dislike of pretentious nonsense loudly announced.

See also, The Blurting.

Geoffrey

The religious right of the past wasn't that bad, definitely. I'd trade the radical left of today for them in a heart-beat, no question.

But my concern isn't for the religious right of the past. It's for the religious right that responds to an era of "What is a woman?" While I believe most of the public just wants a return to normalcy, the entrenchment of the radical left, and the rage of the oppressed, may result in the thing that overthrows the woke being almost as bad as the woke are. People who just want to be left alone aren't good political soldiers. People who want to impose their own ideology are.

I don't THINK that will happen, as there are A LOT of people who just want to go back to normal, which outweighs the normal downside of those people not being terribly politically active. But I can't exactly look at historical precedent for what happens when the mainstream establishment doesn't know what a woman is. And I'm pretty sure the closest equivalents end pretty badly.

In the UK, the police are pretty much pro-child rape at this point. How exactly COULD that end? The extreme injustice of the grooming gang cover-ups, the rage the victims must feel. The rage felt by anyone with an ounce of justice in their hearts. People SHOULD be feeling very, very angry. And yet, very, very angry people don't often make the best decisions. That's what concerns me.

In the end, I was talking about worst case scenarios. Where the pushback from the right becomes just as bad as the left. I doubt that will happen, as I've said. But even if the worst really does come to pass, then there is less harm to be done by people who want to keep women out of the workplace, than people who don't even know what a woman is. Because many women are happier just being homemakers, and so a decent chunk of the populace wouldn't mind that so much. Whereas women absolutely do exist, and the denial of it is intolerable to pretty much everyone.

I've said some similar things about fascism versus communism. Communism is like having your whole arm cut off, whereas Fascism is like having just your hand cut off. The loss of the hand is the big problem, but at least fascism lets you keep the arm, which is good for a few things, even without a hand.

I don't think it'll come to anything remotely like that. I think, after a rough and scary period where the woke and noncey establishment is purged from the public square, we will return to a normal. The cultural push will be reflexively opposed to anything political in normal society, because people will be so absolutely tired of it. A new, relatively healthy normal will assert itself. That's what I think will happen. But I can't help but worry that there is a possibility that more extreme and dystopic futures await us.

sonny wayz

Meanwhile the most influential ugles of the feminist clown car can only benefit by encouraging the average-and-above in pulchritude to adopt unnattractive traits.

I'd never considered the 'both ends of the spectrum' position before, but it does make a certain sense.

Unfortunately...

WTP

Can't count how many times I've had to bite my tongue

You didn't have to, you know. Notice how you have been trained to understand that it is perfectly socially acceptable, by the general public that is, for leftist idiocy to be stated and restated. A person's expression of the most rational objections however are unacceptable. They may politicize any damn thing because it has gotten to the point where these "we all agree about this latest stupidity being as normal as breathing" is simply not seen as political. They are just making observations. Any objections however are an indication that one is a Trumpist Cultist. Or whatever. Observations of simple objective truths that at their fundamental points are not political become political because it is that nail sticking up that must be pounded down who dares to point them out. This is the well understood popular mainstream narrative and you accept your place in it by going along as well.

WTP

In the UK, the police are pretty much pro-child rape at this point. How exactly

In NYC and California and many other places they are becoming more pro-crminal in general. They do the bidding of their political masters to the point if arresting people for defending themselves. Look at the Jose Alba case in NYC. Even more absurd than the George Zimmerman case. Absolutely ridiculous. But very, very little talk about this even in conservative..."conservative" circles. People are more willing to accept this as the new normal. It's easier than making the effort to try to go back to the old normal. Realistically speaking, there is no going back.

asiaseen

'both ends of the spectrum' position

Back in the dawn of prehistory I spent a few year on loan to the Fleet Air Arm. Now is was the custom when an aircraft carrier made a port visit the FAA officers would, at the end of the vist, make an award of the Grimmy Trophy (The Order of the Toilet Seat) to whomesoever scored with the least attractive partner du jour. This was fine until on one occasion at a much visited port, the local ladies had realised the score and held their own Grimmy Contest. The FAA winner has the "pleasure" of being the victor of the ladies contest. Double Gold as it were,

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Stay tuned for another exciting episode of "Today in Homophobia™".

But despite this remarkable achievement for science, the JWST continues to stand as a bitter reminder of our country’s willingness to tolerate and even memorialize queerphobia.
pst314

In the UK, the police are pretty much pro-child rape at this point.

I'm not so surprised that the senior command levels have become heavily politicized, but I do get the impression that there are plenty of rank and file who are willing to carry out their orders. (Granted, the view from over 3000 miles away is not crystal clear.)

Did anybody else here used to read a couple of anonymous UK policeman's blogs? Inspector Gadget was one. Policeman's Blog by PC David Copperfield was another. They had a lot of critical things to say about how the bureaucratization of the police was greatly reducing the effectiveness of the police. Somewhat reminiscent, I suppose, of Theodore Dalrymple's observations on the workings of the NHS bureaucracy.

PiperPaul

the mainstream establishment doesn't know what a woman is

Well, in reality, the mainstream establishment not knowing what is a woman is a lie, an exercise in pretending that we are all supposed to go along with lest we be shrieked at for being bad people.

They know GD well what a woman is. They're just afraid to say so or are co-opted into the delusion.

pst314

Stay tuned for another exciting episode of "Today in Homophobia™".

I wonder if the all-activism-all-the-time author of that piece will eventually be revealed as a sex criminal. That seems to be happening a lot now. 😉

Uma Thurmond's Feet

"Nearly all the news/information I got was from the mainstream/establishment/left-controlled news industry, and in retrospect I am ready to question everything they told me."

Back in the '90s, my wife would bring home from the library U.S. News and World Report magazine. In it, John Leo had a column listing the latest liberal outrages on U.S. college campuses. These reports raised my blood pressure (my wife remembers me being rather screedy about it, but whatever) because I couldn't believe such nonsense went on.

Over time, I realized that not only was Leo right, but it was only the tip of the rancid frozen iceberg of identity politics, anti-religious intolerance, and race-baiting that is the modern university today.

In fact, a combination of working on a newspaper copy desk (and reading the flood of wire stories from all the major newspapers five days a week) and reading the major blogs, changed my thinking on all the major issues, akin to putting on the glasses in "They Live."

Burnsie

"Here, white critics were invited, but with the caveat of listening and bearing witness to Kim’s artistic philosophies first."

"...in which she invited Indigenous women to write love letters to the show."

I hope Ms. Harvey's writing is as strong as her ego, but somehow I suspect that's a rather high bar to clear.

David

I hope Ms. Harvey’s writing is as strong as her ego, but somehow I suspect that’s a rather high bar to clear.

The practised narcissism is a thing to behold. As is the expectation that she’ll usually get away with it. Which, being surrounded by racially neurotic lefties, I’d imagine she does.

Darleen

Minneapolis has a significant Somali population. Groups of said demographic's feral youth rampaged on July 4 and some have continued such terrorizing with taking it indoors ...

On the night of July 4, criminals used fireworks to terrorize innocent bystanders in Minneapolis. Now it’s moved indoors. Criminals set off fireworks inside a movie theater just a couple of miles from my house:
Of all the local leaders and politicians only ONE dared to touch on the issue
Michael Rainville said during a community meeting about public safety that he planned to talk to Somali elders and tell them “their children can no longer have that type of behavior.”
Aaaannnnddd ... I bet you all know how that was received.

WTP

"their children can no longer have that type of behavior.”

Yes. Yes, that's an adult speaking. Just tell them they can no longer have that type of behavior and everything will be fine. After all, how did they know that they couldn't have that type of behavior if no one told them that they couldn't have that type of behavior. Honestly. How would one know? No one tells them.

Geoffrey

"In NYC and California and many other places they are becoming more pro-crminal in general"

Yah... I had just seen something on the grooming scandal, so that came first to mind. I also consider the UKs version of things where child rape is okay to be even worse than what is allowed to happen in the US... but the Left in the US has effectively legalized crime.

They know GD well what a woman is. They're just afraid to say so or are co-opted into the delusion.

This is the reason I'm cautiously optimistic about the future, and not TOO worried about a radical right worse than the 90s religious right returning. Because when the tide turns, it'll be very easy for people to say (truthfully or otherwise) that they never believed this nonsense, and just were unable to speak out against it. Whether they deserve forgiveness or not, it's an out that is a pressure valve for the anger and rage. There won't need to be quite the level of absolute purge that is likely to lead to serious problems down the line. As good as it might feel to make those people PAY for what they've done... it's not the route to a happy society. And firing people for being cowards is sufficient punishment that won't be too disruptive.

But I can't deny how angry I am. And I do hope we seriously punish some of the more explicitly culpable. The pro-crime, pro-rape law-enforcement individuals who COULD have done things differently if they wanted deserve life in jail, at least. And it would need to be done to make it clear that the reformed society won't tolerate that shit. I just hope that we don't get caught up in righteous anger and become the fascists to their communism. I'm pretty sure we won't, but... we live in truly bizarre times...

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Join us again for another exciting chapter of "All The Things Are Racist™", today, Shelter Dog Names!

This study tests the effects of racialized names in a novel context: dog adoptions. Dogs, by definition, exist outside the human racial hierarchy—the unequal distribution of social resources and treatment that advantages Whites and disadvantages populations of color, particularly Blacks, darker-skinned Hispanics and Asians, and Native populations.

Don't ask what that second sentence is supposed to mean, but I never knew anyone who adopted a dog who did so based on it's name, and not by type and disposition, and it is pure crazy talk to suggest that a dog's name could be changed after adoption.

The TLDR for anyone not wanting to wade through that rambling wreck* of a dog's breakfast from a couple of academic colossi, a Labrador puppy with the name of Molly is more likely to be adopted from a shelter than a pit bull** named Kobe (names from Table 3).


*(not from Georgia Tech)
**(40% of the sample dogs, not that anything like that would skew results)

ccscientist

How do dogs end up in a shelter? Either the person realizes they can't care for a dog because they go to an office all day and he eats the couch OR the dog is dangerous/misbehaving. Labs are very sweet and probably fit category 1. Pitbulls tend to be bought by undisciplined people who don't train them. Pure BS.

The pro-crime mindset is based on the premise that the only reason there are more blacks in jail is because the police harass them more. Obviously a fallacy. You could map the automated gunfire detection mic locations and find out this is false. Now some cities have stopped documenting where crimes are because that is unfair--nevermind the people who would like to know that rapes are happening in their neighborhood.

John

So what colour were the dogs?

(Innocent face)

Darleen

Just tell them they can no longer have that type of behavior and everything will be fine.

Of course not, but we can't even BROACH the subject of pointing out that parents address their kids' feral behavior without the usual suspects screeching "HOW DARE YOU".

Every journey begins with a first step and Minneapolis' Very Important People don't even want you to discuss the journey.

saff

he planned to talk to Somali elders and tell them “their children can no longer have that type of behavior.”

That's a quaint old-timey way of dealing with minority misbehavior. A lot of countries and empires used to manage their minorities like that. It's a modest, realistic and sustainable approach, taking it for granted that different people have different standards of behavior and different ways of signalling and responding to moral disapproval (for example chilly passive aggression from Scandinavian soccer moms has no behavior-changing effect on Somali youths). It doesn't try to broaden the intercultural interface and micromanage every incident of friction. It just tells the minority leaders to keep their troublemakers from making trouble with us, because the majority standards and the majority interests are what prevail, we don't want or need you enough to put up with this trouble, so if you can't keep a lid on it the whole community will be expelled.

But that's impossible. As far as whites are allowed to notice there is no Somali community and there are no Somali teens. These are teen hi-jinks by teen Minnesotans. If this incident had a racial or religious element (for example that the Somali teens set out to harass whites), the media can be relied upon to obfuscate it (a scuffle among teens, during which a white allegedly used a racial slur). Scandinavian Minnesotans have no more moral authority than Somalian Minnesotans to set standards of public behavior. When repressed Scandinavians disapprove of irrepressible Somalis, that's a moral failure of the Scandinavians. Cross-cultural groups like the Council for American Islamic Relations are for the purpose of discussing white moral failures, not Somali moral failures.

Darleen

Scandinavian Minnesotans have no more moral authority than Somalian Minnesotans to set standards of public behavior. When repressed Scandinavians disapprove of irrepressible Somalis, that's a moral failure of the Scandinavians.

Well, maybe Scandinavian Minnesotans should take a page from Texas where, IMHO, stories like this should make some teens think twice before attacking people capable, and willing, to defend themselves.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Way OT, but, "...this is the I need help wiping meow...".

Never an asylum when you need one.

WTP

"Wiping meow"...

I worked with a guy. Ex-USMC. Alpha-male type who once hunted and killed a wild boar wearing just a loincloth and carrying a spear. There was video. He had this one annoying trait...regarding the word 'now'...when he'd stop by on the way to lunch he'd say..."Yeah, we're going right 'meooow'"...I sooo would like to send it to him...but lost touch. Fortunately or unfortunately....

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